Deal b/w Musharraf and Zardari/Kiyani

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So Mushy buckled and resigned. However, what we dont know are the details of the details brokered between him and Zardari, with the approval and gaurantee of Kiyani. Here is what I believe, are the salient points of the deal/indemnity

  • No restoration of Iftikhar (Im sure Zardari would be happy to obliged), as Ifti would most likely go after Musharraf if he comes back
  • Allow one last address to the nation
  • No prosecution by the Govt
  • No further defamation of Musharraf by the Govt
  • Permission to live in Pakistan (question mark)

I hope when we, the people of the country will see the actual text of the deal that went through.

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How cute. You still have hope about anything remotely connected to Zardari :)

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Fortunately, not every president following Zardari will be like your Musharraf, someones actually going to do something about Zardari, rather than pardoning him for the sake of his kursi. Also, if the deal comes out in the open, its not just smear for the humiliated old dictator, its also smear for Zardari! Its all good :)

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You're right about both musharraf and zardari wanting iftikar out. No deal is rqd for that.

The only other power ctr who can harm zardari in the short term is kiyani. And kiyani likely wants to make sure musharraf is unharmed and in return provides a certain amt of breating space for zardari. Again, I don't think any "dirty" laundry needs to exist here.

The above two ensure no prosecution and no coup in the short term.

Problem will start after zardari officially becomes prez. He won't be able to resist underminig kiyani either thru isi or even some other senior militios.

Nawas can be a major pain in his rear but that's all he will be I think

All this assuming zardari's dementia was faked

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^ Good analysis. I think Zardari knows that as long as he doesnt push the PML[N] around in the Punjab PA, he wont get much resistance from the PML[N], which to be honest should work towards the next elections rather than toppling this Govt.

Still, it would be great to find out what exactly transpired in the last few days of Musharraf amongst the top brass of the Army, Zardari and Musharaf himself.

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Zardari does not have to abide by the text of the deal. After all it is not a word of hadith that can't be altered by respected Zardari saaheb.

It's funny to see some well respected contributors of this forum going down to insanity levels to defend Zardari. lol

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Apart from some MQM supporters, (who uptil a few days ago were the biggest zardari haters), I dont think anyone here would defend that character.

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When a thread is closed that means discussion is closed, you can send PM to Spock if you wish to tell him something.

samosa chaat
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are these the only participants of teh deal making?
are nawaz, ifti, aitezaz just pawns or they have their own deals or part of this deal?
same goes for the Ji and JUI type folks, eerily silent these days

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^ I see no reason why they would be included in the deal, considering they've been crying about his trial. It was Zardari (the most power man in politics), Mushy (obviously), and Kiyani (the most powerful man in the military). All others dont matter. Bringing them on the table would have given them undue importance which Zardari and Kiyani wouldnt like.

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another theory floating around is that there must be some term in the deal about mid-term election. I am sure NS is also on board for this deal. NS was so vocal to prosecute Mush and was in now way willing to allow him safe passage but he has talked more than couple of times about "he is ok if Mush is allowed to go out of country safely". Everyone will work on the current pay and there will be elections in Pakistan by mid of 2010 or so ....

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^ but why would zardari agree to such a deal, where he only get an year or two in power, when hes elected for 5?

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as the chairman of PPP he would have power period.

we would be mistaken to assume that no one else has had any role in any jorr-torr in the whole series of events.

do you not find it amusing that mullahs have taken some sort of chill pill joshanda?

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Every stake holder will be guaranteed around 2 (pur-sakoon) years to solidify their position.

Although it looks like today that PPP's position is very strong but hey all it will take is a decision by Maulana Fazal and MQM to withdraw their support and join NS (who is already the shehenshah of horse trading). On top of it all we all know what will it take for Fazlu, PML(Q) and MQM to change their position.

Muhabbat???
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What I feel is that there is no deal nor there would be any change in constitution on Presidential power. Next general election would be at the end of 2012. Most likely Zardari might get re-elected as President in 2013 too. Since there is no bar to become President 3rd time, it is possible that Zardari might get re-elected in 2018 too and become the longest serving President with almost dictator like power.

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Farooq Sattar has said that Altaf Hussain will be the prime minister in 2012 :D

You honestly think there is no deal, and Musharraf just resigned like that without fearing any prosecution for all the crimes he commited in power? p.s. welcome to the zardari fan club saleem bhai

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:rotfl:

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I do not think that there is an iota bit of chance that Altaf Hussain would be Prime Minister in 2012. If Farooq Sattar said that then it must be a political statement.

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You honestly think there is no deal, and Musharraf just resigned like that without fearing any prosecution for all the crimes he commited in power?
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Yea, I honestly think that there could be no such deal. No civilian person or politician in Pakistan, whatever post that person may hold, has enough goodda to prosecute ex-chief of armed forces or even any ex-general.

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p.s. welcome to the zardari fan club saleem bhai
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Dear brother ... do not think that if you are in Nawaz camp and support Nawaz like Zombie, others have to be same, be in someone's camp and support someone like zombie :)

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And yet you remain his biggest supporter good sir :)

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Yea, I honestly think that there could be no such deal. No civilian person or politician in Pakistan, whatever post that person may hold, has enough goodda to prosecute ex-chief of armed forces or even any ex-general.

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And storks deliver babies too, I honestly believe that as well. Are you forgetting what happened to Ayub Khan and Yahya? Though Musharraf is way down below them in the popularity scale, whats holding him from being offered the same zillat as his predecessors?

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Dear brother ... do not think that if you are in Nawaz camp and support Nawaz like Zombie, others have to be same, be in someone's camp and support someone like zombie :)
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Dear Brother, I do not support Nawaz Sharif, and am not in his camp, but it is really nice to see you change faces, in a day, from Musharraf to Zardari, just because your leader, Pir Altaf Hussain the great switched sides, and went ahead and nominated a 'feudal landlaaard' as the country's president. Had this been someone else, he would have gone 'AIK SINDHI KO PRESIDENT BANNA DIYA AAAAH AAAAH AAAH'!!!

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Propaganda and lies to its zenith. :) If you assume something than do not think that it has to be true, or is it?

If I would support someone, I would not be shy about it, lie about it, neither would care what you or anyone thinks. I would be as open and blunt about my support as I could be.

As far as what I think about MQM, even though I do not have to explain (to you or anyone), but since you started the propaganda ... I have to say that ... I may have some reservations with MQM, but I am not against MQM or any of their leadership. Actually, I find some of their leader really impressive and hard working (especially Mayor of Karachi). I think that there are lot of propaganda against MQM based on lies. Being from Karachi, I have seen what other parties have done for Karachi and what MQM has done for Karachi ... and I am quite pleased with the performance of MQM. I support MQM to an extend that it is middle and working class party and do talk about problems as well as work on the problems that middle and working class of their constituency face.

Actually I have no reservations against any Pakistani political parties (except people who try to force their religious thinking over others, like Taliban ... note ... JI or any religious political parties of Pakistan does not do that as they try to bring changes with arguments based on conscensus, not by force), but I have reservations about leaderships of many political parties (especially most leaders of PMLN, few leaders of PPP, etc). Not because I hate their person but their ways and because they lie blatantly to fool people (Ishaq Daar, Ahsan Iqbal, NS), have looted and plundered Pakistan (NS, Zardari, BB), or misguide people with munafiqat, lies and deceit (Qazi, Imran, Itezaz). People I had reservations, I was and am always open about that and put the reasons for my reservations too.

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And storks deliver babies too, I honestly believe that as well. Are you forgetting what happened to Ayub Khan and Yahya? Though Musharraf is way down below them in the popularity scale, whats holding him from being offered the same zillat as his predecessors?
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Yea, when Nawaz would have sex change and would give birth to a baby, I would accept that miracles could happen. :)

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Dear Brother, I do not support Nawaz Sharif, and am not in his camp,
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Can you tell me that when you wrote above sentence Mr Pinocchio, how many inches your nose shot up? :)

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but it is really nice to see you change faces, in a day, from Musharraf to Zardari, just because your leader, Pir Altaf Hussain the great switched sides, and went ahead and nominated a 'feudal landlaaard' as the country's president. Had this been someone else, he would have gone 'AIK SINDHI KO PRESIDENT BANNA DIYA AAAAH AAAAH AAAH'!!!
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Oh Yea, if that is what you think ... then also who cares? As far as what I believe or not, in the end I have to give answer to my own consciousness, not yours :)

Ur mood ?