Darwin's theory and Islam and Hinduism

How was the universe created according to Islam. Here is some aspects on creation story in Hinduism and it’s relation to Darwin’s theory. How does Islam relate to Darwin’s theory of evolution?

Hinduism and Darwin’s theory

Don’t expect one creation story from Hinduism. Expect many. Just as there are many gods in Hinduism, there are several creation stories.

One Hindu creation story says the world started with the sacrifice of a primal man called Purusa. Purusa’s body was the entire universe — the lower part became earth while the rest became heavens. The various castes of humans came from parts of Purusa’s body.

Another Hindu scripture states that the universe was formed from the god Vishnu’s breath. With each of Vishnu’s breaths, countless universes emanate in seedlike forms that expand. Another story simply says the world came out of a cosmic egg.

Joyce Flueckiger, an authority on Hinduism from Emory, said Darwin simply offers another way to look at the universe to Hindus.

“The problem of reconciliation with yet another story of creation does not create the same kind of tension that may be present between a singular creation story and that of evolution,” Flueckiger said.

Dr. P.V. Rao, a physics professor at Emory who has led a seminar on science and Hinduism, said many Hindus actually see Darwin’s theory as a “small part of a larger scheme.”

“Historically speaking, Darwin’s ideas were embraced by all the learned Hindus as soon as they came to know about it,” Rao said. “There was no need for any reconciliation.”

so which of the stories is supposed to be correct? or were all these things going on in parallel?

as far as Islam's view of creation of universe, its basically the same as in christianity and judaism.

Marathi, how about these ayaths from Quran for starters. They are self explainatory, but in case you need assistance...do ask.

"He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth." (The Qur'an, 6:101)

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." (The Qur'an, 51:47)

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (The Qur'an, 21:30)

"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate." (The Qur'an, 41:12)

Do you think that the Quranic verses above (and others people find) contradict the theory of evolution? Or support it? Or leave ambiguity?

Re: Darwin's theory and Islam and Hinduism

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"Historically speaking, Darwin's ideas were embraced by all the learned Hindus as soon as they came to know about it," Rao said. "There was no need for any reconciliation."
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How is this important? If I believe in 10 very different stories about an event and I accept a newly created 11th story.... how did it help me learn about the event? Doesn't it make things more confusing?

darwin and his fellow-thinkers can fall low enough to call themselves children of monkeys and donkeys but we, as muslims, r proud to call oursleves humans, decendents of Adam, who was created by Allah and all angels prostrated before him....

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darwin and his fellow-thinkers can fall low enough to call themselves children of monkeys and donkeys but we, as muslims, r proud to call oursleves humans, decendents of Adam, who was created by Allah and all angels prostrated before him....
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your understanding of evolution is zilch. read up about it before you pass such ignorant judgements. scientists arent fools.

also, how do you like the idea that you are the descendent of a single couple - i.e., by product of incest?

Well, I have no monkey uncles and no ancestors that were monkeys...

Those who believe in Darwin's theories don't believe in God, and no animal believes in God...Since no animal believes in God, and all God-believing people are humans it follows that those who don't believe in God and believe in Darwin's theories are animals...

The theory of evolution is yet to be proven...The advent of man human especially is an unverified and unknown phenomena...Science has yet to prove the arrival of man from any source...

And if any idiot tells me that we were formed from a single cell, then multicell then evolved into this species of man and woman and then developed complex body structures with organs and blood and thought and emotions, all from nothing, had better be wearing a clown suit for I will laugh hard and hearty at this claim...

The theory of evolution will always remain that...A theory...

Lajawab --
How does believing in evolution equal not believing in God?
And how do you know that no animal believes in God?

Believing in evolution is denying the Quran which tells us that we are descended from Adam :as: and Bibi Hawwa :as:, as result which will chuck you out of Islam…

As for believing in evolution and believing in god is concerned, you are at a liberty to do so, but that god won’t be Allah :swt:…

Animals do believe in God, in fact every creature praises Allah :swt:…

Lajawab – Did you read your previous post??? You wrote:
“Since no animal believes in God”

Do we know how God created man? How do we know that the creation didn’t follow like evolution? How do we know that Allah didn’t initiate the movement from one step of the evolutionary process to the next? More importantly, how can you assume that your interpretation of this Quranic verse is right and it gives you the right to determine who is a Muslim and who is not?

Maulana Lajawab Sahib,

Haven't you read the Quran where Allah states He revealed to the bee? Let me give you the exact quote:

And your Lord revealed to the bee saying: Make hives in the mountains and in the trees and in what they build. [6 : 68]

Even the surah is called An-Nahl, which means the Bee.

So, how can you say no animal believe in God?

Sahar…You are at a liberty to believe whatever you want…You want to believe in the druids, the wiccans, the pagans whatever that’s fine with me…You want to believe in the theory of evolution, go right ahead…

I speak for myself, and according to my knowledge believing in the theory of evolution makes you a non-Muslim…Now why do I say this? It’s because denying the existence of Adam :as: and Hawwa :as: is equal to not believing in the teachings of the Quran…That is my belief and that is my knowledge…

If you consider that man was descended from apes and apes from the primordial ooze and still consider yourself a Muslim, well that’s your belief…For me, the person that believes in the evolution theory is not a Muslim…

And anyways, evolution is just a theory…And that’s what it will remain…

Lajawab – Who said I denied the existence of Adam and Hawwa?

An aside, you also might brush up on your knowledge of the theory of evolution before you pass judgement on it.

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Lajawab -- Who said I denied the existence of Adam and Hawwa?

An aside, you also might brush up on your knowledge of the theory of evolution before you pass judgement on it.
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I never said you did...

And post a good, simple easy to understand site where I can brush up on it...

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I never said you did...

And post a good, simple easy to understand site where I can brush up on it...
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The way I see it, we know God created them (from clay), but that doesn't contradict the theory of evolution at all. I'm not saying it's right. I just don't find the creation as told in the Quran to be contradictory to evolution.

I don't know of any websites. Although I'm sure there are plenty. Books & articles might be better. The field of evolutionary biology is constantly evolving (sorry, couldn't resist), so you want to find something that covers the bases while giving you a sense of the progress since Darwin.

A detailed commentary on this issue can be found on the following site:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_2.html

All biologists agree on the theory of evolution, what they differ is on 'how' this evolution took place. Darwin was not the first to give the idea of evolution. The theory of evolution came before him. Darwin only gave a theory of how evolution took place. Most of the semi-educated 'muslim scholars' think that disproving of Darwin's theory means disproving of evolution ,which is highly wrong.

Also most of the contemporary muslim scholars who have studied science are convinced of evolution. They even bring out evidence from Quran. e-g- Maulana Wahidudeen, Asghar Ali Engineer, Dr Ahmad Rafiqye Akhtar and many others. Personally i don't think Islam denies Evolution. Besides, there are a million proofs for evolution, is there a single one for that ancient concept of how man was created?

Below is some information about evolution:

"Evolution, processes by which living things first appeared on earth and have since diversified and changed.

Early Evolutionary Studies
The notion that populations of living things can be transformed into descendant populations of different kinds has been suggested since early history, but no scientific explanations of evolution were attempted until the 18th century. In the early 19th century French scientist Jean Baptiste de Lamarck argued that the patterns of resemblance found in various animals arose through modifications of a common lineage—for example, that lions, tigers, and other members of the cat family descended from a catlike ancestor. Lamarck believed that environmental changes caused individual animals to adapt, and that these acquired traits could be passed on to their offspring.

Darwinian Theory
British scientist Charles Darwin was the first to propose a successful explanation of evolutionary processes. In his book, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection (1859), Darwin observed that while offspring inherit a resemblance to their parents, they are not identical to them. Thus animal breeders can select for the most desired qualities in domestic animals. Darwin reasoned that individuals with qualities that made them more suited to their environments or that gave them higher reproductive capacities would leave more offspring; such individuals were said to have higher fitness. A removal of the less fit—a natural selection—should then occur, leading to a population well adapted to its environment.

After the basic rules of inheritance became known to science at the turn of the 20th century, when the work of Austrian monk Gregor Mendel came to light, the discovery was made that mutations (inheritable changes in genes) could occur spontaneously. Darwin's emphasis on natural selection fell out of favor with those who believed that random favorable mutations were the major source of gene changes, a theory called mutationism.

Population Genetics
While mutationism was replacing Darwinism as the leading evolutionary theory, the science of population genetics was being founded. Population geneticists argued that when a favorable mutation appears, its spread through a population depends on variable circumstances, and that a given gene is favorable only under certain environmental conditions. The total number of genes available for inheritance by a generation is called the gene pool. When a population is stable, the gene frequency remains constant, even though the genes are recombined differently in each individual. When gene frequencies change in a sustained manner, evolution is occurring. In the late 1930s American geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky, using experimental and observational evidence, showed that genetics is compatible with Darwinian natural selection. This work led to a new theory of evolution.

The Synthetic Theory
The new theory became known as the synthetic theory. Three American scientists made especially important contributions. German-born zoologist Ernst Mayr showed that new species usually arise in geographic isolation .Paleontologist George Simpson showed from the fossil record that rates and modes of evolution are correlated. Botanist G. Ledyard Stebbins showed that plants display evolutionary patterns similar to those of animals. During the establishment of the synthetic theory, the science of heredity underwent another profound change: In 1953 American biochemist James Watson and British biophysicist Francis Crick demonstrated the structure of the genetic material DNA .Related findings have made possible the study of evolution at the molecular level.

Transspecific Evolution
Living things are classified in a way that reflects their evolutionary relationships. Closely related species are grouped into genera, closely related genera into families, with orders, classes, phyla, and kingdoms representing the higher categories of classification. The origin of the groups in the higher categories is called transspecific evolution. These groups differ in many ways besides being unable to interbreed. Phyla differ from one another even in the basic structural plans of their bodies. Because the biological environment is patchy and variable, different modes of life demand the emergence of novel body structures. Lineages branch into new forms. The separate vertebrate classes of amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals can thus be traced to evolutionary adaptations of their early ancestors.

Steps in Evolution
Life originated more than 3.4 billion years ago. The earliest living things of which remains still exist were cells resembling modern bacteria. These simple unicellular forms, called prokaryotes, were at first anaerobic (living without oxygen), but they diversified into a number of types from which cyanobacteria descended, including aerobic photosynthesizers. Advanced cells, called eukaryotes, may have evolved through the joining of a number of distinct prokaryote types. Single-celled eukaryotes eventually evolved into multicellular plants and animals, with animals first appearing about 700 million years ago. About 570 million years ago, the first skeletons developed in a number of animal lineages. Land plants appeared about 400 million years ago, spreading from lowland swamps. Arthropods and other invertebrate groups followed them onto land, and finally land vertebrates rose from freshwater fish nearly 360 million years ago. Mammals survived a wave of extinction that eliminated dinosaurs about 65 million years ago, and they subsequently diversified into many habitats and modes of life.

Evolutionary Patterns
The history of life as inferred from the fossil record displays a wide variety of patterns. The key to many of these patterns is the rate and nature of environmental change. Species become adapted to the environmental conditions that exist at a given time, and when change leads to new conditions, they must evolve new adaptations or become extinct. When the environment undergoes a particularly rapid or extensive change, waves of extinction occur, followed by waves of development of new species. The most famous mass extinction is that of the dinosaurs, about 65 million years ago, although such events also appear in the earlier fossil record. Five mass extinctions are known over the past 600 million years. Human beings are uniquely adapted because they make and use tools that give them extended control over their environments. Human beings are significantly changing the environment itself, however, and the likelihood is that evolutionary patterns in the future will reflect the influence of the human species.

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Human Evolution, the biological and cultural development of the species Homo sapiens, or human beings. A large number of fossil bones and teeth have been found at various places throughout Africa, Europe, and Asia, helping to give a picture of human evolution during the past 4 million to 5 million years.

Human Physical Traits
Humans are classified in the mammalian order Primates; within this order, humans, along with our extinct close ancestors, and our nearest living relatives, the African apes, are sometimes placed together in the family Hominidae because of genetic similarities, although classification systems more commonly still place great apes in a separate family, Pongidae. If the single grouping, Hominidae, is used, the separate human line in the hominid family is distinguished by being placed in a subfamily, Homininae, whose members are then called hominines—the practice that is followed in this article.

Two-legged walking, or bipedalism, seems to be one of the earliest of the major hominine characteristics to have evolved. Bipedalism led to a number of skeletal modifications in the lower spinal column, pelvis, and legs. Much of the human ability to make and use tools and other objects stems from the large size and complexity of the human brain. Most modern humans have a braincase volume of between 1300 and 1500 cc (between 79.3 and 91.5 cu in). In the course of human evolution the size of the brain has more than tripled. It is likely that the increase in human brain size took place as part of a complex interrelationship that included the elaboration of tool use and toolmaking, as well as other learned skills, which permitted our ancestors to be increasingly able to live in a variety of environments. Additionally, there has been a gradual decrease in the size of the face and teeth. In early hominines, the face was large and positioned in front of the braincase. As the teeth became smaller and the brain expanded, the face became smaller and its position shifted below the large, expanded braincase.

Human Origins
The fossil evidence for immediate ancestors of modern humans is divided into the genera Australopithecus and Homo and begins about 5 million years ago. The nature of the hominine evolutionary tree before that is uncertain. Between 7 million and 20 million years ago, primitive apelike animals were widely distributed on the African and, later, on the Eurasian continents. Although many fossil bones and teeth have been found, both the way of life of these creatures and their evolutionary relationships to the living apes and humans remain matters of active debate among scientists. Based on blood protein and deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) comparisons, many scientists believe that the line leading to modern people split off from chimpanzees and gorillas 6 million to 8 million years ago.

The fossil evidence for human evolution begins with Australopithecus. Dating from more than 4 million years ago (fragmentary remains are tentatively identified from about 5 million years ago), the genus seems to have become extinct about 1.5 million years ago. All the australopithecines were efficiently bipedal and therefore indisputable hominines. By about 2.6 million years ago, the fossil evidence reveals the presence of at least two separate species of hominines. An evolutionary split seems to have occurred, with one segment evolving toward the genus Homo, and finally to modern humans, and the others developing into the robust australopithecines, which became extinct about 1.5 million years ago.

The earliest evidence of stone tools comes from sites in Africa dated to about 2.5 million years ago. Other sites in various parts of eastern Africa include not only many stone tools, but also animal bones with scratch marks that experiments have shown could only be left by humanlike cutting actions. These remains—which date to 1.5 million to 2 million years ago—constitute evidence that by this time early hominines were eating meat, but whether this food was obtained by hunting or by scavenging is not known.

A large-brained, small-toothed hominine, now known as Homo erectus, emerged in Africa at least 1.7 million years ago. A number of archaeological sites dating from the time of H. erectus reveal a greater sophistication in toolmaking than was found at the earlier sites. At a cave site in northern China, there is evidence that fire was used. Between 200,000 and 300,000 years ago, H. erectus evolved into H. sapiens. Early H. sapiens groups were highly efficient at exploiting the sometimes harsh climates of Ice Age Europe, and hominines began to bury their dead deliberately. Some anthropologists have argued that it was during this time that human language originated. About 10,000 years ago, first plants and then animals were domesticated.

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Name: Walter - Austria
Topic :Faith & Practice

Title :Can I Believe in Evolution?

Question :As-salaam ‘alaikum. I have a theological question and seek your advice. I am not Muslim, but throughout my search concerning my question I found the most helpful hints and tips from the Islamic community.

My question: I am wondering why creationism, as taught in Islam and in Christianity, seems to collide with the theory of evolution. Why can I not believe in god and in evolution?

What I have learned so far during my studies of evolution didn't collide with my believing in Allah/God. In a very early stage of life, I read the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin, and his description of his findings in nature were surely the main reasons why I decided to choose a scientific career.

Nevertheless, I always knew that Allah exists and that He did create this endless-seeming universe. For me there was never a question of His existence. We might be in some evolutionist’s eye a statistical probability, but we are still supposed to happen.

Allah created life itself. What if he only had to place the seed of life and we are a result of this seed? Does it matter how we think we were created? Man may be the first on this planet who was given the right from Allah to choose right from wrong, to choose to have a dialog with Allah (prayers), and to choose to use the gift of consciousness that He gave us to learn about our Creator. Thank you very much.

Date 2003/4/23

Name of Consultant Noor ad-Deen Ingalls

Content of Reply

Salaam Walter.

Thank you for your question.

Within the past century, the theory of evolution has been taught, particularly in Western schools, as fact. While there is much controversy surrounding the conclusiveness of evolution, our response does not seek to disprove the theory nor repaint it in a faith-based light.

It should be noted that volumes have been written on the subject; they reflect a spectrum of positions including scientific skepticism of evolution to scriptural defense of it. If you are interested in the issue, we suggest that you examine it from several angles before you draw your conclusions.

Rather, our response aims to clear up areas of evolution that cannot be reconciled with the teachings of Islam, while acknowledging areas that may or may not be accurate – the Truth being known only to Allah. We hope that if our answer is found to be satisfactory, you will consider it as further proof of the soundness of the Islamic doctrine, particularly when compared with other creeds that demand “leaving the intellect at the door.”

To begin: the most important fact to bear in mind is that Allah alone controls ALL affairs. Allah is Qadeer, the Absolute Controller, of every event that has taken place, is taking place, and will take place. Nothing happens outside His will.

Nothing happens before Allah wills, nor after He wills. Nothing happens more than He wills, nor less than He wills. Nothing happens in a different manner than He wills. A snowflake does not fall in the arctic except by the will of Allah; a grain of sand does not blow across the desert except by His permission. A molecular mutation in a genetic code does not occur except by His power and control.

Allah alone causes life, and Allah alone causes death. Every living thing in the universe has been given life by Allah, and He alone is sustaining every second of its life. If a species survives better than another in a particular environment, it is because Allah allowed it to live more days, and He willed for its progeny to continue.

Allah has both a Sunna (usual way of making things happen), and He has a Qudra (ability to do anything even if it contradicts the usual order of things). He controls both cause and effect. Allah can will an effect to happen without a cause, and He can will a cause to take place but with no effect.

Regarding the former, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once fed an entire army to its fill with a single pot of food, due to Allah’s Blessing (baraka) and not due to any perceivable cause, such as more food being added to the pot, etc. Similarly, the Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) was thrown into an enormous fire by the wicked King Nimrod, but Allah willed for the fire to be cool for him, and thus he was not harmed. Allah removed the quality of burning from the fire, thereby overruling its effect. Both cases illustrate the Qudra of Allah, whereas water’s typical freezing at 0 degrees Celsius illustrates His Sunna, though it does so only by the will of Allah.

Allah is both transcendent and imminent in His qualities. Among the evolutionists, the role of “nature” or “natural selection” is confined to an absolutely transcendent and unconscious force that driven by an ill-defined “will to live.” It is not governed by wisdom, mercy, or justice. This is not Allah.

Furthermore, as we described the absolute control that Allah exhibits over His creation, it is impossible for Him to have started creation and then let it continue on its own. In other words, “random mutation,” if we are suggesting this as a means by which Allah might cause the origin of a new species from its cousin, is not absolutely random in that it cannot act outside the power of Allah.

In practical terms, if we take the theory of Evolution as a means by which Allah diversifies life on earth to show us His majesty and ability, then He alone, for instance, causes a nucleotide base to be deleted or added in a DNA sequence, thereby causing a frameshift mutation, which leads to the birth of a new species, which represents an evolutionary superior to its genetic predecessor, which passes on its DNA to its progeny, which results in a subsequent mutation, ad infinitum. Furthermore, Allah not only starts this process but He also sustains and directs every second of its execution and development.

Evolution is a huge subject; we naturally cannot do justice to it in a few paragraphs. For a more detailed look at an Islamic perspective on Evolution (but not the only Islamic perspective), please refer to the following link:
Islam and Evolution

In answer to your question, it is important how we think we were created, because it reflects our understanding of Allah. If I think that Allah created the first seeds of life and then “stepped back” from His creation, I am deluded as to the reality of my Sustainer. As such, I will not be able to worship Him correctly, with the proper level of reverence, and I may even consider there to be powers that act outside of His will. To think that something other than Allah has inherent power and can function beyond His power is a form of shirk, associating partners with Allah – the only unforgivable sin.

Furthermore, Evolution can help to explain how life functions, but it will never explain why it functions and exists. Only the prophets of Allah, those who have been selected by Allah to transmit knowledge of the unseen world to us that we otherwise could never access, are able to teach us the purpose for our existence and show us the way to Success.

We hope our answer has cleared up at least some of your inquiries. Thank you for your question, and please stay in touch.

So if we believe that it was the will of God to evolve life the way it did then it comes in the sphere of Islam.