Darwin believed in jin(super natural) or Dawkins does?

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(Not for an argument. Argument block people’s head. Ego takes over.
No one learns any thing.)

please keep your answer short. Try not to quote or address each other.
Short answer unless you really have to say some thing.

SO

did Darwin blieve in un seen ?
Do Dawkins belive in jins??

I had experience with “some thing” I wonder how evolution made “some thing”
Perhaps from invisible monkeys ???

If Dawkins don’t believe in “things” which can be arround and not be seen, he is telling me I am lair. To me his theory is bull-@#$# .

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:smack:

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waits for theorist and co.

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yes online user profiles are evolved forms of jins. Jins are the original species.

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Monk, I dont quite understand this post.:( are you saying that you believe in Jinn but Darwin doesn't and thats why his theory is BS?

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**Monk Translator activated**

(This thread is not being set-up for argument's sake as arguments prevent people from thinking clearly and instigate egotistical bias preventing true academic progress and effective learning)

Please keep your answers brief and try not to quote or address each other in a manner that criticizes the individual personally
Shorter answers are better unless one really has to elaborate on a topic, otherwise please avoid the long posts.

So, without much further ado

Did Darwin actually believe in creatures of the Unseen realms?
And does Dawkins believe in Djinns?

It is my claim that I had an experience with some "thing", but I could not see it. I wonder how evolution could be used to explain that experience?

Just like humans are said to have evolved from "monkeys", perhaps Djinn have also evolved from invisible monkeys ???

If Dawkins doesn't believe in "things" which are present yet can not be seen ... he is effectively saying that my experience is a lie. However, to me his theory is bovine excrement.

***** End of Monk Translation*****

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Reposting song from another tgread

Jinn ja jinn jinn jinn jaa jaa
jinn ja jinn jinn jinn jaa jaa
Saath chale Jo uper wala
rahe jo tera rakhwala

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Thanks psyah.

Ok people please share how jin fit in Darwinian evolution?
I have experienced "activity" twice. I know people who did too. with out a doubt.

Is there going to be Theory 2.1 any time soon ? explaining un seen ?
Or we need a musalman Darwin to put un-seen in evolution ?

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Just a question brother Monk ... what if Dawkins says that he does not believe that people are lying about the Djinn, but are mentally disturbed and have convinced themselves of them? What if he says the experience could be explained away using science?

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Good question.
I am little small humble thing. My argument could not take world by storm.
All I want is comfort of knowing that all those speaking about against islam or God, are disillusioned them self.
None of them can take every thing in account and then dismiss islam.

I said earlier I was scared to listen to arguments of atheist, but now more I listen more I find them dishonest.

I with my little brother saw activity.
My uncle with his 3-4 friends experienced it.
If dawkins, call us disturbed, then we will never buy his book :D . To us he is just like another irshad manji.

Yes Dawkins can get off the stage smiling after calling people disturbed. But we too would have comfort of knowing that you have to dismiss obvious to dismiss God.

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i am curious to know what you kind of activity did you see or feel?

I am not an atheist, but not religious either. I would like to know why you think atheists are dishonest.

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The atheist preachers talk about the things I and many other believers know. There are things which can be given different meaning. That is ok. I respect their opinion.
But then they start twisting thing which we know are not true. They do ignore major things in the process too.

Then Dawkin start sounding like a business man trying to exploit a business opportunity.

I tell you my experience later. But find movie "entity", my under standing is in some university they froze an entity with liquid nitrogen.(science froze a jin :) )
Its documented.

PS: better only read about it, that movie can haunt you for years.

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This

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Interesting video and post, Psyah and Monk.

I have actually experienced something similar, but I would explain it as “sleep paralysis”. this happens to me like once every few months, it feels like a force is just holding on to me and I am helpless. sometimes i even feel like i am about to die and cannot even breath but trying to hold on to life. yes very freaky and hard to explain without me sounding like a total whack :frowning:
however this somewhat explains what I have been through:

Have you ever felt like you were awake but unable to move? You might have even felt afraid but could not call for help? This condition is called sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis may leave you feeling frightened, especially if you also see or hear things that aren’t really there. Sleep paralysis may happen only once, or you may have it frequently – even several times a night.
Sleep researchers conclude that, in most cases, sleep paralysis is simply a sign that your body is not moving smoothly through the stages of sleep.Over the centuries, symptoms of sleep paralysis have been described in many ways and often attributed to an “evil” presence: unseen night demons in ancient times, the old hag in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, and alien abductors. Almost every culture throughout history has had stories of shadowy evil creatures that terrify helpless humans at night. People have long sought explanations for this mysterious sleep-time paralysis and the accompanying feelings of terror.

Sleep Paralysis Symptoms, Treatment, and Causes

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Peace bella88

The problem with Medical diagnosis of this kind is that it is purely designed to rationalise and effectively give us peace of mind ... it does not claim to be a scientific explanation - If these sleep paralyses were created by "Entities" as Monk says ... then how would science disprove that?

My suggestion would be either to replicate the sleep paralysis in another person and isolate the thing that causes it and switch it on and off at will ... coaxing people with drugs is not in my view understanding of the phenomenon it is simply putting a harness over the symptoms.

Science resorts to the simplest normal explanation - because it makes the ASSUMPTION that all things are or can happen all the time ... and can be extracted from nature given the right conditions. For example - gravity ... its effects can be measured when dropping from a height.

What they are looking for in "sleep paralysis" is in the brain/body of the people some difference in biochemistry in the people who experience it from those who don't - but what if they are looking in the wrong direction? That would make sense to me since they have yet to find that distinct "CAUSE" ... May be they cannot find it.

You know the story of the magicians of Pharaoh when they saw the snake/staff of Moses (AS) eat their ropes/stick/snakes - they knew there was no explanation for it. They accept the religion of Moses (AS). Despite this the Pharaoh himself (not being an expert in the art) was convinced that Moses (AS) just knew better magic and he was trying his hardest to find the rational explanation and when he couldn't he settled himself in his disbelief that it just could not be true ...

To a certain degree scientists take this skeptical approach to belief. The same goes for evolution - the belief in God is too much for them to handle ... they are more at peace to wait for evolution to explain itself in time, until that point they merely accept it - as if it were a belief in itself.

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^Peace Psyah

yes, it does give us peace of mind knowing its just a psychological phenomenon, and yes you're right science cannot disprove existence of something like a jinn, just like it cant exactly be proven either.
i dont think its possible to replicate sleep paralysis and isolate the causes as the experience varies greatly among different people. probaby depends on how their subconscious thinks. for me, i really feel like i am not able to wake up despite trying very hard, cannot scream even though i try to,, and the feeling of gasping for breath ( i don't have sleep apnea or any form of sleep disorders). doesn't really feel like a 'jinn' or demon but just like the feeling of dying, where i cannot seem to wake up. hard to explain in words. for others, they might experience similar symptoms but feel like there is a presence of some supernatural being or a jin perhaps.

this is why I asked Monk what he felt like, just out of curiosity and to see how similar our symptoms are.

Also,sometimes similar symptoms can also be caused by use of illegal hallucinogen drugs. when people get high on bath salts, LSD, and other hallucinogens, they actually see and feel demons. So alot of this can be blamed on how our brain can trick us aswell. there are also many psychiatric conditions where people actually hear and see things that aren't' there.
i am not saying everyone who feels like a 'jinn' has taken over them is schizophrenic or high on drugs, but our brain does play tricks on us sometimes.

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Compare these two sentences:

It gives us "peace of mind knowing its just a psychological phenomenon"
It gives us "peace of mind thinking its just a psychological phenomenon"

The former statement suggests that "knowing" means that other possibilities have been eliminated and the second statement means something else ... that merely the thought or blind belief that somebody knows what is going on is enough for us as humans to be at peace.

I think it is wrong to confuse these matters ... we can be told by medics that they know what is going on - but deep down inside they could be perplexed and are effectively lying to us - just to bring us calm ...

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I am sure Dawkins believes in microwaves, magnetic fields and ultraviolet radiation.

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Please dont quote!!!

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I have experience sleep paralysis quite a few times.

If the jinn don't fit
It surely must quit