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Looks
One promised Punjab government if they release RD.
Other promised federal government if they release RD.
And Boots are ready with their puppets to break all and release RD.
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Meh superpower or no superpower Davis deserves death in my honest opinion… or in the least he should be swapped… 
If Pakistan backs out of this… it will be game over for any hope in he homeland. C’mmon Pakistan 
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if they kept shum regarding alledged isi role in afg, they'll keep shum after this aswell
the question is if the alledged role is actually true
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Looks One promised Punjab government if they release RD. Other promised federal government if they release RD. And Boots are ready with their puppets to break all and release RD.
Bull$hit, currently its only Rahman Malik, Dr Firdous Awan (or Fouzia Wahab) and Zardari who want to release RD.
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Bull$hit, currently its only Rahman Malik, Dr Firdous Awan (or Fouzia Wahab) and Zardari who want to release RD.
I concurr. :)
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Perhaps losing some support from the US will be good in the long run, in that it will force the Govt to be a bit more self reliant.
However, if the Americans really think they can win the war without Pakistans help, and are willing to wreck the alliance for the sake of one person, then perhaps its time we jettisoned this relationship, which was pretty hollow to begin with.
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^ agreed
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No Electricity, No Gas for industries, water shortages, corrupt politicians and officials, no development budget, no basic health facilities to 70% of the population, no education facilities... what Pakistani people have to loose ???
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:k:
Although we don’t not want US as our enemy, a little less friendship will help our security, economy, and self respect. I agree with IK on this matter that we should get out of this US war as quickly as possible, and we will not need all this aid for which US so desperately want Pakistanis to be grateful by stopping the damage to our economy which comes as a gift to Pakistan for pursuing US agenda in the region..
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but! what about those statements from pee pee pee govt that "we dont have technology to shot the drones" and then right after few days demonstrations by PAF/Army to shot down drones?? what about those loud and clear statements which army/airforce officials gave, something like "we can bring down these drones if govt orders us"... and then govt not responding to this???
You do know that drones are not flying in from outer space, but they operate from within Pakistan using PAF bases. So, there is no question of "some and not all" b/c entire military leadership is on board.
Also, what is happening is that ISI/army do not trust Zardai and the govt, and that is why they are trying to undermine the govt system that is already so weak that it can fall apart any time.
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No Electricity, No Gas for industries, water shortages, corrupt politicians and officials, no development budget, no basic health facilities to 70% of the population, no education facilities... what Pakistani people have to loose ???
A lot. You want to take a look at Afghanistan or Somalia?
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salam morning
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After Davis’ arrest, US operatives leaving Pakistan
LAHORE: At least 30 suspected covert American operatives have suspended their activities in Pakistan and 12 have already left the country, according to sources familiar with the matter.
In the aftermath of the shootings in Lahore on January 27 by suspected CIA operative Raymond Davis, intelligence agencies in Pakistan began scrutinising records of the Americans living in Pakistan and discovered several discrepancies, causing many suspected American operatives to maintain a low profile and others to leave the country altogether.
The foreign ministry states that there are 851 Americans with diplomatic immunity currently in Pakistan, of whom 297 are not working in a diplomatic capacity. However, sources at the interior ministry put the number of non-diplomats at 414. The majority of these ‘special Americans’ (as the ministry refers to them) are concentrated in Islamabad, with some also residing in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar. Interior ministry records show that most of the “special Americans” live in upscale neighbourhoods in Islamabad and Lahore, with smaller presences in Karachi and Peshawar.
Most of the ‘special Americans’ are suspected of being operatives of US intelligence agencies who are on covert missions in Pakistan, reporting to the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), according to sources familiar with the situation.
Counter-intelligence agencies in Pakistan have long suspected a covert US espionage presence in Pakistan. The first internal investigation into suspicious activities by American citizens in the country was conducted in March 2009, which revealed some significant gaps in the implementation of laws concerning foreign citizens.
Under the Foreigners Act of 1946, foreign citizens are not allowed to live in cantonment areas anywhere in the country. Yet the majority of the suspected American intelligence operatives in Lahore are reportedly living in the Officers’/Generals’ Colony on Sarwar Road and Cavalry Ground in the Lahore Cantonment.
Several senior retired army officers – ranging in rank from brigadier to lieutenant general – have rented out their homes to American citizens at rates astronomically higher than the rents of similar homes in the area. The presence of these Americans came to light when several serving and retired Army officers who lived in the neighbourhood reported suspicious activity, including unauthorised foreigners living in cantonment areas.
Foreign citizens in Pakistan have to obtain a no-objection certificate (NOC) from security agencies before they can rent a residence. This process is meant to ensure that they are not living in prohibited areas. But somehow American citizens were able to get NOCs issued to live in cantonment areas in violation of the law.
Sources say that the intelligence agencies’ reports state that many of the Americans living in these residences are assumed to be US Special Forces – including members of the covert Delta Force of the United States Army – and therefore are considered armed and dangerous.
The report further claims that the late US special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Richard Holbrooke, had visited one of the covert American teams in Lahore, at a residence on Sarwar Road owned by a retired army general.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 28th, 2011.
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A lot. You want to take a look at Afghanistan or Somalia?
With current situation, it won't be long that we turn out to be Somalia and Afghanistan... yes i agree that it would take some time.. and with standing against US... it will be swift death... better then dying with thousand wounds...
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^^^ Trust me you don't want that. Pakistan has bigger fault lines than either Somalia or Afghanistan and it would split apart along ethnic and tribal divisions...and that is dream of many in our region especially our neighbors.
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agree with hanibal
waisay baroon ki dushmani bhi buri aur doosti bhi
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^^^ Trust me you don't want that. Pakistan has bigger fault lines than either Somalia or Afghanistan and it would split apart along ethnic and tribal divisions...and that is dream of many in our region especially our neighbors.
American helps didn't do any good to us back in 1971 when they were suppose to help us against India... it won't help us in future as well.. but one thing is for sure, without US or with the direct confrontation against US.. we stand a chance... with US and with the friendship of US... we don't even stand a chance...
I agree our fault lines are fragile and the only thing which can over come these fragile lines is the National leadership... the one we cannot get because US is known to support corrupt politicians and officials who works for US interest...
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^Hanibal, Americans were completely pissed off in 1971. Their influential Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said at the time "The Indians are [EMAIL="b@$%rds"]b@$%rds." Kissinger also famously called Indira Gandi a b$%^ch and the American President Nixon described her as an "old witch." Despite being infuriated, Americans had to tread cautiously though because India shared a very intimate bond with U.S.S.R and the United States did not want to embroil itself in a war, which could have possibly culminated in nuclear standoff, with the Russians by directly attacking India. They still sent a naval fleet to the Bay of Bengal. And in the United Nations they vehemently sided with the Pakistanis; it was only Russia's veto power that ensured India still got its way in the U.N.
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^Hanibal, Americans were completely pissed off in 1971. Their influential Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said at the time "The Indians are [EMAIL="b@$%rds"]b@$%rds." Kissinger also famously called Indira Gandi a b$%^ch and the American President Nixon described her as an "old witch." Despite being infuriated, Americans had to tread cautiously though because India shared a very intimate bond with U.S.S.R and the United States did not want to embroil itself in a war, which could have possibly culminated in nuclear standoff, with the Russians by directly attacking India. They still sent a naval fleet to the Bay of Bengal. And in the United Nations they vehemently sided with the Pakistanis; it was only Russia's veto power that ensured India still got its way in the U.N.
the bold part said it all...
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^ Says what? You cannot blame the Americans for Pakistan's miscalculations and blunders.
Americans showed their support to the extent they realistically could. At the end of the day, as the old adage goes, one reaps as one sows.