Damning article with faint praise of Pakistan

Within this lead article in Time, the words of a liberal Pakistani girl are used to confirm the harsh views on Pakistan being spread in US: if the small very rich liberal Pakistanis really feel like this then imagine what the average Pakistani feels like. What are the true sentiments in Pakistan? I find this article damning Pakistan with faint praise.


http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020909/akid.html

It was pandemonium that day inside the all-girl Lahore Grammar School, one of the country’s most prestigious places of learning. Its curriculum is liberal and Western oriented; its students, the daughters of Pakistan’s élite, look upon the U.S. as a second home, a place where relatives routinely find success. These are kids who should love America but don’t. After the towers fell, their loyalties were firmly with Osama bin Laden. “There were girls in my class who loved him,” says Sana. “We all thought Osama was a champion of downtrodden Muslims.”

As the students talk, it becomes clear that nearly everyone in the group has a relative or friend who crossed into Afghanistan to help the Taliban fight the Americans. Their accounts shatter the impression, widely held in the U.S., that it was only ill-educated fanatics who propped up the regime. Though many Taliban fighters were like that, among the recruits were also droves of Pakistanis who knew America firsthand, wore American jeans, listened to American rap music and had American friends—but nonetheless saw Afghanistan as Islam’s battleground against the dark forces. One student says she knows an M.I.T. graduate who signed up with the Taliban. “Last I heard, he was in the trenches around Mazar-i-Sharif,” the student says. “That was many months back. His family is worried sick.”


*In Pakistan, Jews and Hindus were supposed to be the enemy. *

I disagree here with this 16 year old lady.

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**In Pakistan, Jews and Hindus were supposed to be the enemy. *

I disagree here with this 16 year old lady.
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Oh yeah. Have you read Urdu papers that spew vile venom on Hunood-o-Yahood?

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Oh yeah. Have you read Urdu papers that spew vile venom on Hunood-o-Yahood?
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What's Hunood-o-Yahood, anyway?

She doesn’t look 16! 26 more like it…

Never trust the media…:rolleyes:

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What's Hunood-o-Yahood, anyway?
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Hunood comes from hindus
and Yahood is from Yaahudi
So the Urdu press started using it as a short cut for the Hindu-jewish cabal.
I know you knew this PT, I am posting for some of the other viewers.

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I know you knew this PT

Nope. I didn't know that. I have never seen Urdu papers full of Jewish-Hindu hate mongers. Did you?

** I am posting for some of the other viewers. **

We'll discuss each and every view of the article.

LOL.
I think she does look sweet 16, and seems like an awfully nice girl. I just hate to see her taken advantage of by slanting her statements by the journalist like this. Her parents should be proud for having such an intelligent and well educated daughter.

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *

I know you knew this PT

Nope. I didn't know that. I have never seen Urdu papers full of Jewish-Hindu hate mongers. Did you?

** I am posting for some of the other viewers. **

We'll discuss each and every view of the article.
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I have come across the expression before, and believe you me, that it can be potent in the hands of a thundering Mullha type. I don't read Urdu newspapers that often (I am trying to get proficient at Urdu) to tell you how common is the expression. However, I have seen it in Nawai Waqt couple of times.

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However, I have seen it in Nawai Waqt couple of times.
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Nawai Waqt is published by the Islamic Party(Qazi Hussain Ahmad) supporters, I suppose

Anyway, if they make such kinds of statements, then it would be basically about Palestine and Muslim suffereing in IOK and India over all.

However, I'd apologized to Hindus and Jews around on GupShup if they get offeneded by them.

PT, they can acquire a sense of humor. Every country has its fringes. As an american, I will be darned if I am going to go around apologising for David Duke, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham's son, etc! I don't think we need to apologize for the Hunood-O-Yahood remark! It does rhyme, and hence it is great for oratory, and someone thought of it. And it has more effect than the Hindu-jewish cabal phrase. And what the heck, Israel is the 2nd largest armament supplier to India. So there might even be an element of truth to it.

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PT, they can acquire a sense of humor. Every country has its fringes. As an american, I will be darned if I am going to go around apologising for David Duke, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham's son, etc! I don't think we need to apologize for the Hunood-O-Yahood remark! It does rhyme, and hence it is great for oratory, and someone thought of it. And it has more effect than the Hindu-jewish cabal phrase. And what the heck, Israel is the 2nd largest armament supplier to India. So there might even be an element of truth to it.
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OldLahori,

When the tragedy of 9-11 happened, there were Christians who were ready to take care of me and my family. FYI: I live in a majority area of Christians and the accident of LA Mosque bomb plotting scared us alot.

So, basically what I'm saying that you can't blame whole nation/country/community for the mis-deeds of one/couple person.

As goes for Isreal-India nexus, don't worry. The Soldiers of Pakistan always ready for action!

I agree with you. 90% of hate monger views spread by the Media.

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OldLahori,

When the tragedy of 9-11 happened, there were Christians who were ready to take care of me and my family. FYI: I live in a majority area of Christians and the accident of LA Mosque bomb plotting scared us alot.

So, basically what I'm saying that you can't blame whole nation/country/community for the mis-deeds of one/couple person.

As goes for Isreal-India nexus, don't worry. The Soldiers of Pakistan always ready for action!

I agree with you. 90% of hate monger views spread by the Media.
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We are in complete agreement.

After 9/11 our neighbors and friends here ( a mix of christians, jews, and hindus ) went out of their way to make sure that we did not feel excluded or discriminated. It truly was amazing, and I will never forget that as long as I live. That is one of the reasons why I get so upset when some crazy guy starts telling me that I should feel any less for them just because they are not muslims!

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *

We are in complete agreement.

After 9/11 our neighbors and friends here ( a mix of christians, jews, and hindus ) went out of their way to make sure that we did not feel excluded or discriminated. It truly was amazing, and I will never forget that as long as I live. That is one of the reasons why I get so upset when some crazy guy starts telling me that I should feel any less for them just because they are not muslims!
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Cool!

I've always enjoyed conversation with you, Lahori :)

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Oh yeah. Have you read Urdu papers that spew vile venom on Hunood-o-Yahood?
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With all due respect -> NOT

The hindus are our enemies, and since you hindus have sided with the Jews (which explains why you use their unmanned drones, that sadly crash each time you send them) so that makes the Jews our enemies too...

Well, its not as if Indians have gone out of their way to dispel our suspicions of them, and indirectly of Hindus in general..:rolleyes:
They have nothing to fear of us, but we certainly have a lot ot fear of them, and they have made that clear time and agaain.
I know its wrong to paint all Hindus as the enemy, but taken in the comtext of our history, our society going as far back as one can think, can you really expect anything else?
India is our enemy, and it insists on staying that way. They shouldn;t blame us if the fall out of this result in the Hindu bashing. Its sorta the same as when Indians blame Pakistan for the problems between Indian Muslims and Hindus.
I dont blame Pakistani media, we should always remember who our enemy is.:k:

A very insightful article. What we see here is not that Pakistan is a hotbed of fundamentalism but an understandable reaction from an otherwise modern and well adjusted girl to America's ongoing and never ending military campaigns across the globe.

What she has shown is not only the ability to denounce terrorism but also the ability to speak out against America's high altitude bombing of third world countries on her doorstep. What else would you expect from any person with a bit of backbone? She sounds like a typical Pakistani girl who does not have any agendas as she is a current Lahori not an old Lahori.

Re: Damning article with faint praise of Pakistan

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *
Within this lead article in Time, the words of a liberal Pakistani girl are used to confirm the harsh views on Pakistan being spread in US: if the small very rich liberal Pakistanis really feel like this then imagine what the average Pakistani feels like. What are the true sentiments in Pakistan? I find this article damning Pakistan with faint praise.
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Yep i agree, I see whats in the article between the lines. I quote from the end of this article:

"She is still a moderate citizen of the world, and she still believes in peace, but as Islamic militancy spreads in Pakistan, she feels she is being forced to take a side. And she doesn't think she can choose America's. "

Lahore Grammar School was buffeted by the wave of Islamic radicalism. More girls appeared in the classroom wearing a hijab, the Islamic head scarf, and a few even donned the full head-to-toe burqa.

What this article seems to faintly suggest is that islamic militancy, as it put it, seems to be on the rise after 9/11/2001 and american bombing of the innocent afghanis. I dont think thats quite the case. The extremist factions are being curbed day by day, thanks to Mush and his policies.
This sana person obviously has grey matter and can think for herself and not be brain washed. She wasnt quick to label this as "war on islam", but rather critical of double standards imposed by the Uncle.

Dang 5Abi You nailed it :hehe:

OldLahori

I’d like to share two letters from a woman about 9-11. Hope, you’d like her writing :slight_smile:

My Dear Americans

Salaam,

Hope you are safe and fine. To begin with my name is shomyla and I am 28 years old an advocate by profession, happily married and have two kids my son Firhaj, nick name Pinni ,is 4 yrs old and my daughter Minhal, nick name Minno, is 1 yr old. My husband Hammad is an electrical engineer and is 34 .I live in Lahore (the city of gardens) in Pakistan.

Honestly speaking, I will to start with a prayer because right from the day of attack on U.S. I wanted to express my feelings on a large scale I wanted to share my point of view with others my thoughts to be known publically. Because;

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[li]Secretly, I tell you I have this passion for writing. I used to write short stories in college and now articles on current but personal issues. But never had chance to get them published.
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[li]My elder sister lives in America with her husband and two kids 6 years and 2 years old and like many other Muslims in America they are facing the same problems of threats and insecurity and if through my writing this changes even a bit its worthwhile.
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[li]To tell you the truth every second person in our country dreams of American that certainly includes myself. America being the world’s most openhearted country, most stable, most developed and probably most beautiful, Watching Hollywood movies, I fall in love with America every minute.
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I feel the pain of all the people who are the victim of that brutal attack of 11 September. I want to condole them and tell them that we feel very sorry for them and at least I for sure would never have let that happened if I could.

No.4) Last but not the least I want the world to know about my religion Islam which is particularly a peaceful religion and also condemns the killing of innocent people no matter which religion they follow.

So thank you so much for giving me this opportunity.

I don’t claim to be a perfect Muslim but I say my prayers five times a day and wear hijaab in public and mix gatherings. I fear God and stay away from all the forbidden and try to win His favor in every way possible.

My hubby and me came home late that night after dinner. I knocked at my mother in law’s room to check if my kids were disturbing her because it was her prayer time. She asked me to come in. I was surprised to see she was not on her jainamaaz but watching television with a shocked look on her face. She didn’t wait for me to ask what happened? She said, “have you heard the news?” I asked “which one?” she replied **“there is a terrible attack on American trade center and Pentagon” **I forgot about the kids and sat beside her to watch CNN “oh no, and who did that?” ** she said with much grief in her voice,“I don’t know but they (CNN) seems to believe, they were Muslims.” **My next question was **“how many people died?” **I truly didn’t care weather they were Muslims, Jews, Christians or whoever because human life is important to me and should be to all of us no matter which religion they follow. Quran says “saving a life is equal to saving the whole mankind” every single life belongs to the God Almighty and no one has the right to take it without reason. He is the God of all the worlds (khaliqulaalameen), not (khaliqulmuslemeen), only Muslim’s God. So it is a sin killing innocent people.

I remember from my college days, I used to be a debater then and the best debate I ever won was on the topic “to be a good Muslim, you have to be the enemy of rest of the man kind”. Of course I spoke against it and won. The chief guest on the occasion came on the dice afterwards and said that it was easy winning against the topic because the basic statement is false. I still remember his words.

Next day after the attack, my sister-in-law came to my place and told me that she had been crying the whole night, watching CNN, seeing people in pain and their relatives in distress.and that there were many daycare centers in the building made that even worse. She also said that whoever had done this must be punished and I totally agreed.

Later that night my sister in America called to tell us that she was fine and safe. She told me how grief stricken she and her friends were there, on the incident and for the first time I came to know how very much she loves America. She said to me that there is no country like America in the world she said that she hated them who had done that to her country. I was touched and amazed by her emotions for America because its not more than 0 or 10 years she has gone there. Then my brother-in-law talked to me whom I respect alot and who is a well known engineer in America. He also along with his news service works for Kashmir liberation. He said if Muslims have done this, they will soon know whom they have benefited by that, and that they have degraded their own religion by doing this. He also asked me to go on some chat channel on the net and share my views with the others and tell them that Pakistan and Islam are strictly against these barbarian motions and I did the same.

There are also many Pakistanis who believe that something should have done about all the injustices Muslims are going through all over the world like in Palestine, Israelis are upto diminishing their race. In Bosnia in chechnia, what Russians are doing against Muslims? And not to go far, in Kashmir Indian soldiers are killing thousands of innocent Muslims daily and the whole damn world is quiet over it. So where should they go? What should they do? And whom should they ask? But I believe that this is not the way to protest not even to take revenge and Islam does not preach terrorism of any kind.

In Pakistan, here we are living in constant fear these days:

Fear of attack from Afghanistan, for supporting America against them as talibaan are threatening again and again to attack every single country who would help America in any way.

Fear of civil war within the country against government for supporting America for there are Muslim extremists who believe that one should always support Muslims against non-Muslims even if they are wrong. And they follow every single man who’d say “ALLAH U AKBAR! Come let’s fight this is jihad”. And they’ ll. start fighting against there own brothers. This is because of lack of education and proper knowledge of Islam.

Fear of America that once its soldiers come in our country would never leave. Maybe because we feel America wants to rule not only it’s own country with 52 estates but the whole world. And my country is too small (only 4 provinces) to fight against it.

We Muslim women are so over protected that we get scared even by the flight exercises. It is not that we mind being over protected as long as we are respected and loved thoroughly. I have started sleeping hugging my husband and kids more tightly after this incident. And my husband teases me by saying “lets have some more fun for tomorrow we shall die”. I was having a wonderful life until that moment because all these fears are definitely shadowing my life from all sides and living in constant fear can make your life hell even worse than the hell itself.

I love my country which has given me security, peace, education and much more. I love my God who has given me a wonderful country loving parents devoted husband caring inlaws and beautiful kids. I love my religion which has given me a high place of respect being woman, sanctity and hope to live even happier after death.

Shomyla H. Lahore, Pakistan