Dajjal (anti-christ) and Yajuj Majuj (gog and Magog) [Merged]

[Destino]

** Dajjal and Authentic Ahadith:**

"The word ** Dajjal** is derived from dajala, which means he covered (a thing). The Lisan al-'Arab gives several views why Dajjal is so called. One view is that he is so called on account of his being a liar and covering or concealing the truth with falsehood; another that he will cover the earth with the largeness of his numbers; a third that he will cover the people with unbelief; a fourth that he will spread over and cover the whole earth. Still another view is that Dajjal is a community that will carry about its merchandise all over the world, i.e., it will cover the earth with its articles of trade. Finally there is the view that Dajjal has been given this name because he will say things which are contrary to what is in his mind, i.e. he will cover his real intentions with false words.

It is believed that Antichrist will appear at the end of the days, he will perform supernatural feats and will gather a huge following among men. He will claim to be a massiah and even god, this is the judeochristian belief that massiah will come back and slay the anitchrist on holy land.This is the battle of Armageddon when devil will be defeated by believers.

Muslims also believe in similar sort of beleifs. Ahadith have narrated the prophecies concerning Dajjal and his doom at the hand of Jesus son of Mary (as).Quran, however has not mentioned Dajjal anywhere, not does it mention that Jesus will come back. Legend has it that Dajjal is chained on a remote island. He is big and hideous and blind in the right eye.He will be released at some time in the future.He will roam the earth on a donkey many cubits in length, who will eat fire and breath smoke. Thre will bea big shiney eye in the middle of the besast’s forehead and it will roar from a distance while approaching a city. The distance between the two steps of the donkey will be hundreds of miles.

Enough about the horrific beast, lets talk about its rider. A foul man with a nasty temper, he will carry a mountain of bread and a river of water with him. He will have the ability to kill a person and bring him back to life.He will have fake paradise and hell along with him. He will have imediate alliance of 70,000 hews of Asfahan soon after he appears. Many of them will be women. Those who will refuse to follow him will be given severe punishments and those who accept his authority will be rewarded. Such will be his powers that no one will dare fight him.At this time believers (a handful of them ) will pray for God’s mercy and help. Then God will send jesus from the heavens who will kill dajjal and show his blood on his spear. I am leaving the discussion on Jesus for later.

** My understanding of Dajjal:**

First of all i will mention a hadith which says that one should recite the first and the last 10 verses of surah kahaf,

** Whoever commits to memory the first ten verses of the chapter entitled the Cave will be immune from (the trials of) Dajjal (Al-Muslim 6:42; Abu Dawud; Tirmidhi; Musnad Ahmad.). **

** Whoever recites the last ten verses of the chapter entitled the Cave will be safe from the trials of Dajjal (Al-Muslim; Tirmidhi; Abu Dawud 36:12.).**

Surah kahaf and expecially first tem verses deal with tht false christian beliefs. Similarly Yajuj and Majuj are mentioned in the same surah.

** Praise be to Allah! Who revealed the Book to His servant … to give warning of severe punishment from Him … And warn those who say Allah has taken a son (18:1-4.).**

** Do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me? … Say: Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in respect of deeds? Those whose effort goes astray in this world’s life and they are making good manufactures (18:102-104.).**

Now the question arises ** “is dajjal a person?”** No i say. And the reasons are as follows.

The Qur’an has definitely identified Dajjal with the Christian nations, and has moreover indicated that Dajjal and Gog and Magog are not separate entities, because the trials arising out of both are spoken of together. We have also the evidence of the Bible, that Gog and Magog are the nations of Europe. It thus becomes clear that Dajjal also stands for certain nations. It has further been shown that the trials connected with Dajjal are to have their source in the predominance of Christianity. This evidence is further corroborated by a hadith in Muslim which shows that just as Rome and Persia are spoken of as a nation, Dajjal also indicates a people. It reads as follows:

The Prophet, peace and blessings of God be upon him, said: ** You will fight with them (i.e. the Arabs) and Allah will give you victory over them; then you will fight with Persia and Allah will give you victory over them; then you will fight with the Dajjal and Allah will give you victory over them. (Mishkat ch. al-Malahim.)**

Here the war with Dajjal is mentioned in the same manner as the war with the Arabs, the Persians and the Romans. This shows that the last mentioned are a nation just as the others are nations. The reference in these wars may be to the crusades, or it may have a reference to the events of the world in our own day. One thing, however, is clear from this hadith that like Persians and Romans, Dajjal stands for a nation or a group of nations.

I will start with the narrative of the hadith. I believe that the science of hadith is very complicated and sensitive subject. There are countless examples of hadith misinterpretted or misunderstood. and on top of that comes the authenticity or correct transmission itself; the major factor, the criteria which can decide right from wrong

** Dreams and Visions:**

Bukhari and Muslim narrate one particular hadith when prophet (saw) dreamt of two persons doing tawwaf of Ka’aba. One was dajjal and the other was jesus. Dajjal has the same appearance as i have mentioned above, while jesus was also described of brown complextion and lank black hair. (which is completely different from the jesus explained in other ahadith).

This hadith settles a very important fact i.e. all the ahadith describing Dajjal and events associated with it were dreams and visions that God showed to the Prophet (saw).

** Language of Dreams (literal vs Symbolic):**

Quran has mentioned dreams interpretted by Yousuf (as). One fact stands out clear from theose examples. Dreams are almost always symbolic. Dream intepretation is a recognized subject in religious studies. All scholars agree that symbols and signs shown in the dreams have deep and manyfold meanings. Similarly kushoof or visions which are shownt to people who are close to God have a greater significance as they are experienced by the recipeint during wakefulness and the visions shown thus are clearly understood and remembered.

Lets see now the ahadith which describe Dajjal now. A hadith says that every prophet has warned his ummat of dajjal. But the afflcitions associated with him are much closer to ummah of Prophet (saw).

** Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553:
Narrated Ibn Umar: Once Allah’s Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, “l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.”

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 554:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Shall I not tell you about the Dajjal a story of which no prophet told his nation? The Dajjall is one-eyed and will bring with him what will resemble Hell andParadise, and what he will call Paradise will be actually Hell; so I warn you (against him) as Noah warned his nation against him.”**

Other narrations also stress on a fact that prophet (saw)warned muslims of dajjal at many occcasions. Even once Holy Prophet (saw) spent a great part of the day mentioning dajjal and the evils associated with it in his sermon. The narrator also addmitts that she forgot a big part of this sermon as it was too long and detailed and she was sitting at the end of the gathering.

Such Ahadith contain those events that were shown to Prophet (saw) in various visions and dreams and some of the Prophet (saw) exaplained and somed of them he did not. Prophet (saw) explained trains and planes and other modes of modern transport and called thm the “donkey of Dajjal”. As arabs of that era would have surelynot undersood them, such descriptions were left for the poeple ion later days to understand.

Chapter “Fitnah” of Mishkah al-Masabih contains a similar prophecy of distorted time:

“Asma, daughter of Yazid, son of al-Sakan reported the Prophet as saying: Dajjal will remain in the earth for 40 years, a year being like a month, a month like a week, a week being like a day, a day like the time it takes to burn a palm branch.”

B] “We said, O Messenger of Allah, how swift will he travel on the Earth? He said: As the cloud is carried in the wind, He, Dajjal, will be jumping about between the Heavens and the Earth”. Dajjal will come riding on an ass which will cross great distances very quickly.** "Dajjal will be blind in his right eye, and the left eye will shine like a star. ** His skin will be white. "Dajjal will have so much power that he will be able to carry Heaven and Hell upon his shoulders. **

"Dajjal will be accompanied by beautiful women and spirits and ******* children and other kinds of people — including an army of Jews. He will have music and singing unlike any ever heard before, and whoever hears it will follow it.

[Destino]

Imagine a group of People who lived 1400 years ago and now try to find a way to explain to them events like colonization, expansionaixm, electricity and modern vehicles. You will fail miserably.

** So What Is Dajjal Then: **

Yes the question still stays. Is Dajjal the machnary of christian clergy who have been invading the world under the expansionist colonizers or is it the symbiosis of both giving rise to a systemm which is blind in one eye (i.eSpiritually blind), which rules the world on the basis of "might is right".The lies they tell to decive poor people to fall for theiur sytems, the decisions of life and death for nations that they can make, the heaven of worldly propsperity for those who follow them and hell of starvation and poverty for thsoe who don't.
Hadith tells us that

"Remember, Dajjal is one-eyed, but our lord is not".

Can a human, a person or anyother creature be compared to God??? and that In physical appearance??? The question arises, can you tell me if God has two eyes like us humans with nerves and cornea and rods and cones????Does he need eyes to see???
Dajjal is a system which has been compared in ahadith to the system of sent to us by God.

** The Roots of Christianity and Dajjal:**

The tribulation of Gog and Magog is spoken of in the clearest words in both the Qur'an and the Hadith, but instead of Dajjal, the Holy Qur'an speaks of another great tribulation in the form of the Christian doctrine relating to Divinity of Christ. It denounces this doctrine in the strongest terms as the greatest of all tribulations for humanity.

** The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces, that they ascribe a son to the Beneficent! (19:90-91.)**

further states that such a doctrine was never taught by Jesus Christ. In fact, it speaks of it as just the opposite of what Christ taught:

And when Allah will say:** O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say) ... I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. (5:116-117.)**

Thus the doctrine of the Divinity of Jesus, according to the Qur'an, cannot be ascribed to Christ but to Antichrist; and though the Qur'an does not mention the name of Dajjal or Antichrist, it speaks of the Antichrist as being the manifestation of the erroneous Christian doctrine of the sonship of God.

As a matter of fact, a little thought will find this truth indicated in the fact of Dajjal being given the name of Masih al-Dajjal.

**
And I saw a person with short curly hair, whose right eye was blind. I asked: Who is this? I was told that it was al-Masih al-Dajjal (Bukhari 77:68; 92.). **

Why should, after all, Dajjal be called Masih or Messiah? The reason is that Dajjal shall be setting about his task under the name of "Messiah", which is a sacred title given by God to Prophet Jesus by revelation. The giving of this title of a righteous servant of God to Dajjal shows that the latter will be doing his work in the name of this holy man; and it is this which in reality constitutes its dajl or fraud, because while he assumes the name of Messiah, who was a prophet and a righteous servant of God, he does things which are directly opposed to his teachings. The Messiah Jesus taught that God is one and that none else but He should be served and worshipped, but Dajjal raised the Messiah himself to the position of God. Again, whereas Jesus the Messiah taught that all the prophets of God were His righteous servants, Dajjal condemned all these holy personages as sinners. The reason is not far to seek. Unless all those people whom God chose from time to time for the guidance of humanity are condemned as sinful, there arises no necessity for a supposed sinless son of God to be an atonement for the sins of humanity. Further, whereas the true Messiah taught that every man receives reward or punishment for his own actions, Dajjal in the guise of the Messiah teaches that the son of God is a sufficient atonement for the sins of all Christendom. The real Messiah preached that a rich man can not enter the kingdom of heaven; but Dajjal, pretending to be the Messiah, teaches people but one thing, the accumulation of wealth.

Let us see from the eyes of history, what the christian church has to do with oppression and the way world is today.

European nations in 17th and 18th century started exploring the world around them. It was the era of sxpansionist endeavours for all who could afford it. British, french, Duch, Portuguesse and spanish, all were putting their maximum efforts to grasp whatever they could on the planet. And all of them had one thing in common. Christianity.
The Church in all these countries was the King maker. The clergy could make or break a dynasty. So these pastors and clerics with their ambition to establish their power all over the world,drove along with the merchants and armies of their rulers. English, the most successfull of them all , have left a permanant reminder of their presence in every coloney they occupied. The churches, the convents. There were days when christian missionaries would explore the country, along with their wealth and resources, enticing the locals to listen to their message of love and peace and get food and shelter as a gift from the church of their lord. New converts were given social and economic prevliges over others. India especially has been a target because of its enormous resources in agriculture, and Africa for its Gold and diamonds. In his book,** A History of Christianity in India 1707–1858, Stephen Neill, a bishop ** has given his views on the whole issue by implying that the history of India since 1498 is of a tremendous confrontation of cultures and religions. Since 1757, the chief part in this confrontation has been played by Britain; and the Christian missionary enterprise, especially on its educational side, has had a very important role

And in the meantime the trade companies behind rows of red coat muskiteers would start exporting the local produce to their home land. Those who retaliated were silenced.Wars were fought, resistance crushed. Hoards of farmring communities and untouchanl;es left their faiths to join Christian church, who gave them love and respect and food and shelter. This story has been repeated timeless times in different parts of the world with same consequences.

[Destino]

** Who Are Gog and Magog (yajuj and Majuj:**

Ya’juj (Gog) and Ma’juj (Magog) are derived from ajj or ajij in the forms of yaf’ul and maful and ajij means the flaming of fire. But ajja also means asraa i.e. he walked fast. This is the meaning given in the Lisan al-`Arab. Imam Raghib says that Ya’juj and Ma’juj have been compared to the flaming fire and surging water because of their intense agitation.

Gog and Magog (Ya’juj and Ma’juj) are mentioned twice in the Qur’an. Once they are mentioned in the eighteenth chapter in association with the description of Dajjal. Towards the end of this chapter, a great potentate, Dhu-l-Qarnain, is spoken of as undertaking journeys in different directions to fortify the frontiers of his empire. This potentate is historically proved to be Darius I, the emperor of Persia (cyrus the great). His first journey is spoken of as terminating on the Black Sea:

** Until when he reached the setting place of the sun (or the westernmost point), he found it going down into a black sea (18:86.).**

Then there is a reference to his eastern journey:
** Until when he reached the (land of) the rising sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from it (18:90.).**

Still further there is a reference to his northern journey:
** Until when he reached (a place) between the two mountains (18:93.).**

The reference here is to the mountains of Armenia and Azarbaijan. In this last northern journey, Dhu-l-Qarnain comes across a people who speak a different language; in other words they do not understand the Persian language. These people appeal to Dhu-l-Qarnain in these words:

** O Dhu-l-Qarnain! Gog and Magog do mischief in the land. May we then pay thee tribute on condition that thou raise a barrier between us and them? (18:94.)**

Further we are told that Dhu-l-Qarnain actually constructed this wall, and there is mention of iron and copper in this connection, which were used for the gates:

** Bring me blocks of iron. At length when he had filled up the space between the two mountain sides, he said, Blow. Till when he had made it (as) fire, he said, Bring me molten brass to pour over it (18:96.).**

Immediately after speaking of Gog and Magog fighting each other in verse 102, the account reverts to the subject of Dajjal:

** Do those who believe think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me?**

This shows that the Qur’an identifies Dajjal with Gog and Magog. They are given two different names because of their two functions. As for the identity of Gog and Magog, the commentators differ. Ibn Kathir says that they are descendants of Adam, and this view is supported by the hadith in Muslim and Bukhari. According to Ruh al-Ma`ani, they are two tribes from among the descendants of Noah’s son Japheth, of whom the Turks form a part, being so called because they were left (turiku) on the other side of the wall. Moreover, the Qur’an’s own description shows clearly that they are human beings, to ward off whose invasions the wall was constructed.

The second reference to Gog and Magog occurs in
21:96:

** Even when Gog and Magog are let loose and they sally forth from every elevated place (21:96.).**

Sallying forth from every elevated place evidently means that they will establish their supremacy all over the world. The way the Qur’an speaks of them in both the places shows that a time will come when these people will overpower all the nations of the world. It also appears that they already existed at the time of the revelation of the Book, but that their movements were to remain checked until a certain time, after which they would wield uncontrolled authority in the whole world.

** Why Quran Does not Mention Dajjal?**

The reason is that the word Dajjal, as shown above, means a “liar” or a “fraud”; and no one, howsoever great a liar and a cheat he may be, likes to be called by this epithet. Gog and Magog, on the other hand, being the names of the people concerned, no one can take exception to this name. In fact, the English people have installed statues of Gog and Magog in front of the Guildhall in London. That is why the Qur’an uses the names Gog and Magog and not the word Dajjal which means a liar. The Books of Hadith, on the other hand, use the word Dajjal, because the name Antichrist (Dajjal), as also the prophecies relating thereto are met with in the older Scriptures. It was felt necessary, accordingly, to explain in what manner these prophecies were to be fulfilled.
Besides, the word Dajjal, indicates only one aspect of the question, viz., the lies and deceptions of these people, whether it be in matters religious or in matters worldly. But apart from this dark side of their character, there are bright sides of it as well. From the worldly point of view, their material prosperity must be regarded as one of their good points. It is in view of this that in hadith, one eye, the worldly eye, of Dajjal has been described as a shining star. The Qur’an also speaks of their skill in manufacture. Thus the epithet Dajjal is only a partial description.
have already shown that the Qur’an while speaking of the Gog and the Magog towards the end of the chapter entitled – the Cave, reverts to the mention of the Christian nations, which shows that it makes no difference between the two. As for the Bible, it says explicitly, as already shown, that the Gog and the Magog are none others than the Russians and other nations of the same land, i.e. Europe.

A common misunderstanding that is prevalent about Gog and Magog as described in the Books of Hadith, is that they are regarded as a peculiar kind of creation, although many hadith make it quite clear that they are human beings just like ourselves:

** Verily Gog and Magog are of the progeny of Adam (Kanz al-`Ummal Vol. 7, No. 2158.).**

Another hadith says that God will reveal to the Messiah:
** Verily I have created some of My servants whom no one can destroy but Myself (Ibid., No. 3021.).**

In the same book vol. 7, we have another hadith (No. 3032) in which it is expressly stated that they are of the progeny of Adam. Perhaps the misunderstanding on this score has its origin in a statement in the hadith which says that they will drink up the whole mass of water in the world. The hadith runs as follows:
T
hey will drink the water of the world so much so that when some of them will pass by a stream they will drink all that is in it and leave it dry (Ibid., No. 2157.).

Another hadith says that the advance guards of Gog and Magog will cross the gulf of Tiberius and they will drink the whole mass of water in it (Ibid., No. 3021.). And it is remarkable that in the hadith of Tamim Dari, Dajjal also asks Tamim Dari about the Gulf of Tiberius:

** Tell me about the Gulf of Tiberius … Is there any water in it? (Ibid., No. 2027.)**

This gulf is situated on the borders of Isreal and much of Israel’s water supply comes from it. And it is also a matter of contention between jordan and Israel for fears that it may be dried out due to over consumption.

This incidentally shows that Dajjal and Gog and Magog mean the same thing. But their drinking up the water means no more than that all provisions of life will be in their control, because water is the source of life. Again, the fact that the prophecies relating to both Dajjal and Gog and Magog occur in connection with the expected Messiah, is a further proof that they are identical. A little reflection will reveal that the respective descriptions of the two express practically the same ideas, only in different words. About both it has been said that their earthly power will reach the climax. They will have control over every kind of provisions of life, and “no one will have power to stand against them”. They will spread over the whole surface of the earth and will be an object of great trial for the Muslims. All these common features of their appearance show that they are one and the same people, and both apply fittingly to the nations of Europe. As a matter of fact, the two names have been adopted to express two different aspects of their appearance. The name Dajjal indicates their acts of deception through provisions of life, and Gog and Magog is to express their political and military power. It should be borne in mind that these prophecies about the predominance of the Christian nations came to be recorded by the Muslims at a time when their own power and supremacy had eclipsed all other powers in the world.

[Destino]

"And then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. "

** Tiberias** , city in northeastern Israel, on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee (Lake Tiberias), located about 209 m (about 686 ft) below sea level. One of the holy cities of Judaism, Tiberias was a center of Jewish learning from its founding in AD19 until the Middle Ages. The city was founded by Herod Antipas, who named it for the emperor Tiberius. After the Roman destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem in AD70, Jewish scholars began to settle in Tiberias, where the highest rabbinical court, the Sanhedrin, convened.

Jordan Times
Wednesday, August 18, 1999

AMMAN ; Israel has accepted a Jordanian request to directly take its water share from the Yarmouk River instead of storing it in Lake Tiberias before pumping it here, a source confirmed on Tuesday.

At the request of Jordan, Israel agreed that only this summer, the Kingdom directly gets the water from the Yarmouk instead of storing it in Tiberias,; Israeli embassy spokesman Roey Gilad told the Jordan Times last night. If Jordan wants this to be carried out every year, the joint water agreements must be changed, and I believe the two countries do not want to do such a thing.;

(tibir´ees)** Lake Tiberias ** , or Lake Kinneret , lake, 64 sq mi (166 sq km), 14 mi (23 km) long, and 3 to 7 mi (4.8-11.3 km) wide, NE Israel; its surface is c.700 ft (210 m) below sea level. The lake, occupying a downwarped basin, is fed and drained by the Jordan River. The Syria border follows part of the eastern shore. Mineral springs, some of them hot, discharge into the lake, giving it a saline character. Israel's National Water Carrier Project uses the Sea of Galilee as a reservoir for water pumped south, via the National Water Conduit, to the Negev desert for irrigation and to the coastal plain to recharge the overdrawn watertable. However, despite the project, Israel's water supply in the late 20th cent. was restricted by a drop in the sea level due to seasonal drought. In the time of Christ there was a flourishing fishing industry in the lake; some fishing is still carried on. In the Old Testament the Sea of Galilee was called the Sea of Chinnereth or Chinneroth. In the New Testament it is named variously from nearby geographical featuresGalilee, Gennesaret, or Tiberias.

** Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, Copyright © 2003. **

[Destino]

anyone??

[fatehahmad]

Mr. Destino:

If you are waiting for some reply to your post containing any rational and logical statement, forget about it! You would only be replied in abusive terms with posts void of any argument and full of filthy language.

[Destino]

There is a term used by people called "itmame Hujjat".. I rest my case then.. :)

[Degas]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Destino:

If you are waiting for some reply to your post containing any rational and logical statement, forget about it! You would only be replied in abusive terms with posts void of any argument and full of filthy language.
[/QUOTE]

why didnt u reliplied in ur rational language..

Mr Destino.. did u wrote that lenthy thing? where is the sourse ...

[Destino]

Sources are numerous. bulk of the content is my own. But references to all the ahadith and Verses are given..

[Destino]

well i can provide you with more info on the sources if you wanna know dude..

[teaser]

Long but good reading.

I knew most of the stuff you wrote and what I know is exactyl what you’ve posted. All I can say is I agree 100% :k:

[Destino]

^^ thanks .. Just thinking of what the fairy-tale mullahs might make out of it.. ;)

[thelostemperor]

Dajjal

o muslims !
plz prepare youself against DAJJAL, the one eye horrible maloon.

in my view point there r two DAJJAL
one vil appear physically i.e horrble one eye creature
and the other which is virtually---- i.e america, israel

o muslims plz prepare yourself and strengthen your faith

o muslims ! time is very short and is running very fast

plz…

Allah will guide and help u

[system]

May Allah s.w.t give all us muslims the strentgh to get back on the righteous track.

-Salman

[pakistani_kurhi]

oh..thank for the info..
Allah HAFIZ

[hiccup]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

ahem
honey, I'm home ;)

[Destino]

Dajjal and Yajuj Majuj. (another thread)

[system]

Dajjal is the biggest sign of qayamat, and he is here on the earth right now.

I got the best book about qayamat, if anyone interested, lemme know

Ps Nice thread

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

Re: Dajjal

*Originally posted by thelostemperor: *
in my view point there r two DAJJAL
one vil appear physically i.e horrble one eye creature
and the other which is virtually---- i.e america, israel

Isn’t declaring that there are two Dajjal, and in fact suggesting that it’s virtual, an act of bida’a (innovation)

[system]

actually there will be 30 dajjals. :)