Dajjal (Anti Christ) and the NWO - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

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WA both of you!
Chill.
Check what I said once again.
I said that there is an opinion about his views and at the end I said "Wallahu Alam". Where did I accuse without proof? Did I say this that it is 100% certain? No I said I read an email from Yusuf Estes sent to his student a while back before any website published anything. And the email I'll tell you, was much more conservative and not open slander. It simply said that he (Estes)witnessed some aspects of their practice that he felt were not inline with the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW. Then I rested the decision on Allah SWT. So where is the accusation without proof? It is plainly a communication of information that I have. I am waiting for it to be verified.

Instead you two are getting all insecure and attacking me. Can I then not say that you are being intolerant and behaving like emotional supporters?
Ok you might not have claimed to be tolerant, but you were praying that you would be ...right? So here is the time..

And I don't need to prove him wrong. Mind you I have more observations about Zaytuna and Hamza Yusuf then I am sharing here. Why?
Becuase I don't extract pleasure from that. I seek joy from seeking true knowledge. My pleasure is by knowing that I don't need an intermediary to have a connection with Allah SWT.
HE (SWT) is watching me every minute and the help I get to stay on deen is purely dependant upon HIS mercy and my ability to seek it via actions and faith! And if Hamza is HIS loved servant, then I have no intention of angering HIM! The truth will prove itself. If not now then later. InshAllah.

No personality is free from scrutiny. I know people who think they came to deen via someone, will rally behind that someone. However this is a false belief in itself. True and sustained help to remain on deen is only from Allah SWT. His messenger Sunnah is the guiding light to find the path of the Quran.

I will not respond any further.

May Allah SWT guide all to Himself and the true way of HIS beloved Prophet SAW for success in Dunya and Akhira! (aameen)

ASAK!

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Actually, i have read that e-mail as well, but it says yusuf estes saw people doing dhikr in one of Zaytuna's class, may be thats a different e-mail. anyway, Hope you get the verification soon so you can come up with an evidence next time.

ok, if you think i'm misbehaving or being intolerant to you then i'm sorry.

Of course, no one needs an intermediary to have a connection with Allah SWT.

InshaAllah.

Sahih Bukhari
*Volume 4, Book 52, Number 192: *

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: That he heard the Prophet on the day (of the battle) of Khaibar saying, "I will give the flag to a person at whose hands Allah will grant victory." So, the companions of the Prophet got up, wishing eagerly to see to whom the flag will be given, and everyone of them wished to be given the flag. But the Prophet asked for 'Ali. Someone informed him that he was suffering from eye-trouble. So, he ordered them to bring 'Ali in front of him. Then the Prophet spat in his eyes and his eyes were cured immediately as if he had never any eye-trouble. 'Ali said, "We will fight with them (i.e. infidels) till they become like us (i.e. Muslims)." The Prophet said, "Be patient, till you face them and invite them to Islam and inform them of what Allah has enjoined upon them. *By Allah! If a single person embraces Islam at your hands (i.e. through you), that will be better for you than the red camels." *

Ameen.

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Khanbabax is a Sufi.

Need Help To Elope !!!!!!!
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So how similar is the muslim Dajjal to the Chirstian Anti Christ? Anyone know how the two narratives are similar?

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Like shia or sunni, Sufism is a cult in Islam.. by any means it is not part of Islam

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bro.....there is a big difference between sufism and Tassawuf. Sufism is a cult or sect but Tassawuf is the science of matters of the heart and Love of Allah. If you feel this is biddah then so is any other type of fiqh.

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Well thank you for a relevant post to the topic of this thread.

In both cases the Dajjal or anti-Christ are liars. They are also both very influential and powerful(great fitnah). They are also the opposite of the message of the Jesus(AS). Both sources of scripture indicate Dajjal or Anti-Christ will come near the Day of Judgement. These are the general similarities.

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Dear Sister, when we say sufism, it means all branches and all kind of tassawuf and relevant sciences, its not me who is identifiying them as a different cult but they themselve call or stand away from the common muslim society.

and as it is said that, excess of every thing is bad, Islam is religion of Balance, and it is said to the followers of Islam to not to break the balance, who ever breaks it is considered ZALIM.

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Do you or do you not appear before your Lord in prayer as though you can see Him not? If you do then you are practicing Tassawuf without realising it.

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salat and Ibadah in Islam is only for Lord, Salat has been defined by the Messenger of Allah all Mighty and so does the ibadah, Islam is not a Religion yet it is a system, and every act you do in the SYSTEMATIC MANNER is considered Ibadah, whereas, sufism or what most of the people know as tasawuf is denial of the system(atleast by act), as per my info apart from some most of the Sufi deny the System of Islam and created there very own.

As far as my Tassawuf is concerned, if i re-call correct there is a Hadees which has word and meanings like " My umma's tassawuf is to be in the mosque before the prayer time" .

Need Help To Elope !!!!!!!
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^Thats not the answer of my Question. Anyway, If that is your definition(to deny the system of Islam) of sufi then Hamza Yusuf is not a sufi.

However, I disagree with your definition.

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Dear Sister,

Iam not giving my very own defination, as a matter of fact i only gave this opiniion after studying Sufi's like Ibrahim Adham (RA) and alike.

iam sorry if i have offended you, as far as Hamza Yousuf is concerned, i don't know enough info to form any sort opinion about him.

but my opinion about sufism remains intact as they deny the system

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^I agree with you.......about sufism....but again sufism and Tassawuf are different from each other. Its like the difference between scientologists and Science.

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^^
in a way u are right! if i got a chance, some day we will talk in detail about Science of Tasawuf and Sufism.

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i think hareem has it right, tasawuuf and sufism are two different things. And i have much respect of Hamza Yousaf as well.

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Tasawwuf, Sufism, Tazkiya, Ihsan are all same thing, just different name.

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yeah but sufism has become a sort of sect?

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Sufism in itself is not a sect but there were/are deviant sufis and with their wrong aqaid/actions, some left the fold of Islam and others left Ahle Sunnah. Some are just fake Sufis, who use the name of Sufism for their wrong actions and also give bad names to others.

Alot of Salafis reject Tasawwuf but people who they hold in high regard were not against Tasawwuf/Sufism:

Sheikh Moulana Muhammad Manzoor Ahmed No’mani rahmatullahi alaihi quotes Sheikh ibn Abdul Wahhab commenting on Tasawwuf in his book ‘Dia’ayat Mukaththafah dhidd Ash-Sheikh Muhammad…’(Pg. 85).

“We do not condemn the path of the Sufiya outright. We only assert that the keyword should be moderation. We agree to their practice provided it does not contradict the basic elementary tenets of Shari’ah.”

Ibn Taimiyyah rahmatullahi alihi, regarding the positiveness and necessity of ‘Tasawwuf’. He says: “ Verily, Sulook (a synonym for Tazkiyah, Ihsaan or Tasawwuf) is the path ordained by Allah and His Messenger , which encompasses the beliefs, devotion, worship and ethics of a person. And all this is clarified in the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Therefore, it is the provision no true Mu’min can do without.” (Vol. 19 Pg. 273)

He also states: “In Sulook, there are some points debated by the Mashaikh, but there is abundant evidence in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah substantiating the stance adopted by the majority of the scholars, for the precepts of Sulook are of the same category as the Islamic doctrinal code, all elucidated and resolved in a crystal-clear fashion in both the divine sources of Islamic
Theology.” (Vol. 19 Pg. 274)

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^mashaAllah brother.....you do have knowledge. May Allah increase your knowledge in Deen.

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and i am pretty much useless with words , thnx khanabax that exactly what i was trying to say in clumsy manner.