Current Pakistani Team and its Fielding

well we all know that the poor fielding was one of the main reasons why pak lost this series…however there are news in the media that Pak Board is trying to hire Jonty Rhodes to solve this problem…i dont think that this would make a big difference…as osman samiuddin says in his article:

  • “the appointment of Jonty Rhodes might just be applying band-aid to a bullet wound. What after all can he realistically do with a side that carries onto the field men such as Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq?”*

With all due respect, players such as Inzi and Ranatunga are a shame to cricket…Inzi is indeed a giant and one of the best batsmen pak has ever produced but just look at his physical appearance…big belly, letahrgic, slow…he looks like a panwary…What really upsets me is his attitude…he has been playing the international cricket for almost 20 years and in all these years, he simply refused to change his attitude towards the fielding…I dont know how many of you know but for most part of his career, Inzi never attended the fielding sessions…he used to come to net to bat and then leave immediately…Razzaq is another lazy player…God…sometimes he does not even want to bend to pick the ball…kaneria, sami and yoyo are also horrible fielders…now what can poor rhodes do with these players?..I guess our best bet would be to save our next generation now…i strongly believe that you can not improve someone’s attitude over night…we should appoint Rhodes to focus on our young generation…there is no point in wasting time on these old baba jees who simply do not want to work hard…you can not make a jonty rhodes out of kaneria, ganguly orInzi…

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakvind/content/current/story/237886.html

Worse than a sieve
Osman Samiuddin in Karachi
February 19, 2006

There was news last night that the Pakistan board was trying to bring in Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach. Inzamam-ul-Haq had admitted at the pre-match press conference that the fielding had been the difference between the two sides in this series and Pakistan’s had deteriorated sharply as the series traversed the country. It sounds a mighty impressive coup, were it to be pulled off and in intent, it is a noble thought. After today’s display, its importance is likely to be magnified.
Pakistan dropped two chances, one crucial, one not so, and that wasn’t the worst of it, not by far. Assessing fielding is an inexact pastime but there should be little doubt for anyone present at the ground that this became, as India’s chase progressed, Pakistan’s most inept, shambolic and deplorable day of ground fielding yet. If there is anyone out there who has seen all of Pakistan’s matches ever, it might be worth a punt calling them and asking them whether this was the worst display - so bad was it. Given Pakistan’s traditional fielding reputation, there are likely to be a few contenders.
At times, it seemed that more direct hits were missed than there were people in the stands, more balls were fumbled than there are people in Karachi, throws were backed up in much the manner Brutus backed up Julius and as a collective, fielders became India’s 12th, 13th and 14th men on the field. Indian batsmen gleefully took the piss, tapping straight to fielders and blindly, sans calls, running because even in the unlikely event of the ball being picked up clean, stumps weren’t going to be struck. Mohammad Sami was particularly special, bizarrely pulling out of a catch at square leg and throwing regularly at an imaginary set of stumps on another ground. Many others made sure he didn’t feel left out, with Shoaib Malik dropping Yuvraj Singh at extra-cover when 94 were needed at nearly eight per over. The only positive might be that it really can’t get any worse.
In Delhi last year, when Pakistan wrapped up the series 4-2, they did so with one of their brightest efforts in the field. At the time, it seemed another sign of the impressive work that Bob Woolmer had done with the team but in the period since - particularly in the Test series against England - they have fallen away sharply. Inzamam’s comments before the game were prescient, although he was hardly to know what would happen today. Not least of their worries will be that younger fielders were at the centre of most misdemeanours. Albeit incompetent today, they at least remained enthusiastic and energetic; more experienced players lacked even that urge. In this context, the appointment of Jonty Rhodes might just be applying band-aid to a bullet wound. What after all can he realistically do with a side that carries onto the field men such as Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq?
But defeat, and four thumping ones at that, has a terrific way of opening eyes. Their top order inflicted collapses upon itself habitually through the series and their bowlers took only 25 Indian wickets in five matches. Sri Lanka, England and the Champions Trophy offer a tricky few months and Pakistan will undoubtedly examine more carefully issues in all three departments.
But defeat also shakes up perspectives. In a sense, as Woolmer admitted later, it was better that this happened now rather than in March next year. In any case, the loss shouldn’t overlook Pakistan’s considerable achievements in this home season; two Test series wins over strong opposition and one ODI series win as well - this series loss was their first in over a year. Much progress has been made but here has been the surest sign that much more needs to be made. More startling wake-up calls than this last fortnight will be difficult to find.*

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Pakistani fielding ripped and harshfully shredded into crumbs of bread. Great article!


And as Waqar said last night - "Had Sami thrown that ball, it WOULDDA been out."

I would like to believe that he has spent too much time with Arun lately.

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Sorry maybe I missed the point but what is so great about this article. First he disagrees with the appointment of Jhonty Rhodes and than rips Pakistan’s fielding to shreds (quite rightly) but fails to give any solution of his own.

If Johnty Rhodes is appointed he will be for the benefit of the youngsters who will be playing for Pakistan in the years to come rather than Inzi. So what was the point of Samiuddin trying to have a go at Inzi. Facts about him are well known. We might as well leave him as he is for the next year or so till he retires.

You lose one series and vultures have a field day. :rolleyes:

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Any team is bound to get demoralized sometimes and the first place it shows up is in fielding. Like India's erstwhile over reliance on Sachin, Pak is over reliant on Shoab Aktar.

Whether Sachin scored big or not, if he stayed there for a while, the rest of the Indian batsmen took care of the business. (Now that mantle has fell on Dravid, but to a lesser degree)

Similarly, if Aktar rattles a few zoomers, the rest also looked deadly.

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well, you are right about Inzi but it is not about inzi only…what about yoyo, what about kaneria…what about razzaq…what about sami…in my opinion the problem is even deeper..these same players can actually field pretty well (except kaneria) on a given day but they do not have right/consistent attitude…no one in pakistani team can hit the wickets with a direct throw better than yoyo, yet he is so inconsistent in the field… the problem is the attitude itself…sometimes pak team is actually amazing in the field because all the players are extra ehthusiastic/alert for whatever reason but for rest of the macthes, they are not that alert…so at end of the day, it is all about having right attitude and i dont think that rhodes can improve anyone’s attitude…afridi and malik are always alert fielders from the day one…

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Today the team was demoralized. Nobody knew what to do. During the run chase by India, there were misfield by everyone. Shoaib Malik, Younis, Razzaq, Sami…Inzi missed a run-out chace. In order to be good in field the captain or someone from the team needs to motivate its players and we didn’t see that. I would say that today’s match is not the reason to push the panic buttom. During the Tests, Pakistan’s fielding was great and it has improved vastly under Woolmer.

I am not going to use this match or the series as a yard-stick to bash or criticize the team/ any player. Frankly, I think team looked tired and unmotivated throughout the series. They were just too good to be true last 8-12 months. Bob Woolmer is right that we need to look at posotives from this series and get ready for WC. I think that it is ridiculous to dwell on it. Jo huwa so huwa…on to the next series. :slight_smile:

:jhanda:

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I agree with most of your points and just want to add something which is one of the major reasons for pathetic fielding displays of Pakistan players over the years and the underlying cause of this inconsistent attitude. The grounds and the below standard conditions of the outfields all over the country. The hard outfields deviod of grass cover has resulted in fielders lack of interest towards agressive fielding. They spend more time polishing their batting and bowling skills before and after their arrival in the international arena.
In order to make sure that future Pakistani cricketers are better fielders, PCB needs to work on a lage scale long term project which would involve providing cricket grounds of International quality to the youngsters.
At present the only one in Pakistan is the Multan cricket stadium. Hopefully it will remain the same in future provided it can survive non-cricketing events ranging from concerts to hourse and cattle shows.

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Few of Imran Khan's comments from Straight Drive, worth noting:

  • "Never in my bowling career was I ever given an advice by a batsman which was worth anything."

  • "The most brainless strategy I have ever seen."

  • "Pakistan sending lesser batsmen up the order. What cricketing brain puts Younis Khan at #6, when, consistently, they are losing wickets at the top."

  • "Reverse swing is only effective when it is bowled at a fast pace. A medium pacer bowling reverse swing is not going to have any impact. The quicker you bowl, the more effective it is."

  • "You can actually play against weaker teams and get away with post-strategies, but when you come up against a good team, good strategy makes a lot of difference."


Nice post, and I also agree with Fkhan2's concerns as well, regarding the commiserative orientation that surrounds our grounds. More focus needs to be shifted by PCB towards these venues in order to ensure a safe and sound field day for Pakistan in the future.

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unprofessional journalism…

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Ehsan Bhai,

Yehi baat maine shayad pachasoo baar kahi hogi, but its just our mentality, and there is no cure for it, Allah na kera, lekin today if I was at the losing end, believe me Ehsan Bhai you could not have had a reasonable conversation with me.

I would cussing till I got Banned, Lekin I know You have a soft corner for this Bhanja and you can forgive me saat khoon:D

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Imran Khan is talking BS. Everyone knew that during his days as a captain the strategies were mostly Miandad's. On countless occasions I have seen him taking advice from miandad. Is he suffering from amnesia.

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this article makes no sense at all :mad3:
this is only the 2nd ODI series pak has lost in 18 months(VB series is the other one) i guess,n ppl like Osman sahab r writing off the team,shame!!!

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Indians would be guilty of the same type by screaming at India had Pakistan won the Series.

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You don’t need 11 of your players to be Jonty Rhodes. If the rest improves, you can easily afford “men such as Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq.” By the way, you cannot win matches with players like “Jonty Rhodes”. You still need “men such as Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq” to set up a target that modern-day Jonty Rhodes could fight for.

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i say hire miandad as fielding coach and aaqib javed as bowling coach :hehe:

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there fielding is getting better, it does not come naturally to them like the aussies

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Yes Pakistan team was sloppy in the previous matches, but they can work on their mistakes, the biggest problem for Pakistan is finding the "Opening pair" the musical chairs are still going on and that also effect the overall performance,

the article is just like someone "the writer" was waiting for a bad performance from the Pakistan team, and the news of that they may appoint J. Rodhes well I dont think so that is required, unless they want to target some players in the team/ make them specialist like Yuvraj/Kaif, but speaking of agility there are very few people who can fill that gap.

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I would like to post my comment on the following recently said regarding Inzamam -

"Just let him win the next series, and he will be a god again"

Personally, I don't think that will be true (If it does, that will be the day). Inzamam has been defensive and unceremoniousy casual in his 'tactics', (whether that be the fielding, bowling or batting deparment) since Day 1. A never-ending drill of 'age-old' methods and literally unable to learn to accept change and embrace criticism are a few of the major ludicrous practices that he will always have on the back of his mind, regardless of whether or not someone voicing their opinions after coming out in the media.

Once again, please note that my amount of reprehension relating to Inzamam is strictly pointed towards his 'antics', and not necessarily his batting power. I would love for my team to give it their all in each and every match, regardless of the end-result and furthermore, would like to witness a win for each level of series they play in, but the fact of the matter is, the approach and the appropriximity that he inaugurates on the field is, quite frankly, outrageous to say the least.

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I honestly don't believe our fielding can improve :D .... as pointed by fkhan2 above, our field's conditions would make anyone to give it 2nd thought to dive on such grounds.

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I dont recall the fiasco of this ground conditions was raised in the past, well here are few names who do throw themselve on the ground, Hafeez, S. Yousef, Rana, Shoaib Malik... I. Farhat...etc

maybe its an excuse but there is a drill to execute proper diving.