Cultural/Ethnic Bias

[khoji]

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Has anyone noticed that posts in this thread are more about Karachi?!
As if MQM, Karachi, and Urdu speaking community is all that is to talk about in a thread titled “Culture/ Ethnic Bias”!

There is something dangerously wrong is singling out a minority community for all the evils.

[khoji]

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@Jolie

**Not to mention the violent anti Pakhtoon wave **furthering the divide with devastating effect.

But things are changing, the last elections proved that there is a glimmer of hope for Karachi.

That violent anti Pakhtoon wave was a part of general lawlessness experienced by the city. Different groups, different communities, different sects, have been targeted at one point of time or another.

The way you are saying it, it looks like there was some sort of anti-Pashtun movement in the city. And that is a totally wrong perception.

[muqawwee123]

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@khoji

You did not state that ‘obvious’ reason. But let me tell you that the reason of choosing MQM by most Urdu speaking people was not the lack of trust but the perceived lack of economic opportunities.

The same reason is the cause of people’s choosing parties all over Pakistan. Be it PMLN in Northern Punjab or PTI/ANP in KP, or PPP in Sindh and Seraiki Belt. Just singling out one party and one community is unfair.

Karachi is mini Pakistan. Actually, mini South Asian Subcontinent. People in Karachi have always experienced different cultures and languages. So contrary to your claim, if one digs deeper, one will find that the reason of choosing different parties is not the lack of trust.

Its just saying things in different way. Lack of trust and encashing people’s fear that other ethnicity will control the resources and deprive you from your rights lead to blind support for parties who play ethnic cards. I didn’t single out one community or a party. Its common between MQM and PPP and nationalist parties are doing the same. Its just making people fool by chanting mere slogans for people’s rights.

In Current elections, PPP ne apna thooka huwa chaata by agreeing to amending local government ordinance, which was like a holy scripture for them few months back and making changes in it was like a blasphemy instead of agitation across Sindh. This was done for playing ethnic card easily in their election campaign in Sindh. MQM also didn’t have anything better than playing ethnic cards during its election campaign and Altaf’s statement just after election ‘Karachi ka mandate pasand nahin to Karachi ko alag kard do’ doesn’t show any tolerance of this urban feudal lord. Its clear cut playing ethnic card.

When people still follow and support such parties shows that daal main boht kuch kaala hai.

[mahool]

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@Jolie

Not to mention the violent anti Pakhtoon wave furthering the divide with devastating effect.

But things are changing, the last elections proved that there is a glimmer of hope for Karachi.

mushkil hai… Bhatta mafia will not allow them…

[Microbian]

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…turns out a PA thread

[mahool]

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@Microbian

…turns out a PA thread

[muqawwee123]

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@Microbian

…turns out a PA thread

Politician are from public and they do play with cutural and ethnic differences. Kuch logon ki to rozi roti hi isse se hai. If there are no such differences, they are not worth ke unke munh pe koi thooke bhi.

[Nain]

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bara serious topic hai mae tu chuchi hun

[muqawwee123]

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@fariha ali

bara serious topic hai mae tu chuchi hun

As if we don’t know that you people go through Arab Vs Non-Arab and Saudi Vs Non-Saudi bias

[mahool]

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@Jolie

Politically motivated ethnic hatred is the worst kind of racism. Indeed all forms and types of racism is bad, in fact terrible, but it’s one particular type of racism which is almost impossible to cure because it’s systemically fed.** Karachi is one of the worst examples in the world of failed multiculturalism.** It’s terrifying to even think that how a City so huge can be so multiracial and multilingual yet be so xenophobic and antisocial.

@Microbian

This is not true

@muqawwee123

This may not be true in totality, but the situation in city has been evident to this at many occasions. I live in an area which is MQM dominated and my cousins back home and relatives living in mix population areas of Karachi always raise this point to change home asap. What does this show? Its a fear and past experience of intolerance in city, which lead to such suggestions.

We have seen migration of Kachhi population from Lyari, which is well documented in media. In 90s, Hyderabad and Karachi saw severe tension and killings due to Sindhi-Muhajir conflict. Latifabad, where many Sindhi families were living for decades, was made no-go area for Sindhi population and they had to shift to Sindhi majority areas. Same had happened to Urdu-speaking families living in Sindhi majority areas.

These are realities and should be accepted as a first step towards solution.** Common men don’t have ‘khuda waste ka bair’ against people from other ethnicity, but there are grievances that can easily be exploited by political parties, whose politics is limited to hilight hatred between ethnicities**.

@muqawwee123

Politician are from public and they do play with cutural and ethnic differences. Kuch logon ki to rozi roti hi isse se hai. If there are no such differences, they are not worth ke unke munh pe koi thooke bhi.

Politicians exploit differences for their own gains and benefits. Common people of Karachi are not bad, but their minds were feed by their leaders.

[mahool]

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@fariha ali

bara serious topic hai mae tu chuchi hun

app itni choti hain kay apko topic kay serious honay ka pata bhi chal giya…

[KKF]

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shahr waale Khud Gharaz/chaalaak hote haiN aur gaaoN waale seedhe saadhe/saadah lauH hote haiN!

[mahool]

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@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

shahr waale Khud Gharaz/chaalaak hote haiN aur gaaoN waale seedhe saadhe/saadah lauH hote haiN!

app shehri babo hain ya gaon walay?

[muqawwee123]

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@mahool

Politicians exploit differences for their own gains and benefits. Common people of Karachi are not bad, but their minds were feed by their leaders.

Its not about Karachi only. Pakistani society as a whole is allergic of plurality. We are diversified nation, but we don’t know to look at mulch-culturalism with positive attitude. The funny concept of Islam and Pakistan being in fragile position, if someone opt to identify himself Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch, Pathan, etc says a lot about insecurity of Pakistani society.

[mahool]

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@muqawwee123

As if we don’t know that you people go through Arab Vs Non-Arab and Saudi Vs Non-Saudi bias

Mazeed detail to KSA walay hi de saktay hian…

[KKF]

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@mahool

app shehri babo hain ya gaon walay?

bhai maiN to gaaoN kaa bhaiyaa huN! ab, yeh baat aur hai k mujh meN shahri logoN ke Khawaas haiN…

[muqawwee123]

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@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

shahr waale Khud Gharaz/chaalaak hote haiN aur gaaoN waale seedhe saadhe/saadah lauH hote haiN!

iss liye to Quaid ne farmya hai: Shehr hamara, Gaon tumhara

If differences can’t be resolved, only way is to part away your paths. No need to address root causes and making serious efforts to bridge up the gaps.

[Microbian]

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@muqawwee123

Politician are from public and they do play with cutural and ethnic differences. Kuch logon ki to rozi roti hi isse se hai. If there are no such differences, they are not worth ke unke munh pe koi thooke bhi.

politicians ki baat na karen mujh sy

just tell me why have not you left that area you are living in after your relatives told you to move? Do you feel insecure living in an MQM dominated area?

You know that there are many areas in karachi where people are living peacefully together even sharing houses how can it be a worst example of multiculturalism?
There are political differences among people but not cultural differences as such

[KKF]

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@muqawwee123

iss liye to Quaid ne farmya hai: Shehr hamara, Gaon tumhara

If differences can’t be resolved, only way is to part away your paths. No need to address root causes and making serious efforts to bridge up the gaps.

lol…aur BhuTTo saab marHoom ne bhii to BihaariyoN kii baabat farmaayaa thaa k “udhar tum, idhar ham!” … ab “idhar” waale apna apna bijnis le ke “udhar” jaa rahe haiN…how the table has turned!

har ghoore ke din palaTte haiN…jahaN ghoor hotaa hai vahiiN falak-bos 'imaaraat ugtii haiN aur jahaN MaHellat hote haiN vo khanDar ban jaate haiN…yehii talKh sabaq QUDRAT insaan ko paRhaatii hai.

[muqawwee123]

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@Microbian

politicians ki baat na karen mujh sy

just tell me why have not you left that area you are living in after your relatives told you to move? Do you feel insecure living in an MQM dominated area?

You know that there are many areas in karachi where people are living peacefully together even sharing houses how can it be a worst example of multiculturalism?
There are political differences among people but not cultural differences as such

I didn’t move because I don’t fell insecure and there are friends living nearby. But does this doesn’t mean people don’t have any insecurities while living in such areas. Urdu speaking people don’t want to live in Lyari. There are many people I personally know who shifted from Lyari to other areas.

There is this Sindhi guy in our dispatch department who owns a flat in our area, but he gave it on rent and lives in Gulistan e Jauhar. My Landlord doesn’t know that I’m a Sindhi. Otherwise he was reluctant in giving his property on rent to a Sindhi