You may file your complain when you attend Allah swts court on judgment day.<<<
Changez, this is another one of those hotair balloons. There is no such thing as judgement day. If there were such a thing, Muslims won't be hell-bent issuing decrees and fatwas every day. If the Book is there (as you claim that it is), let those who stray worry about their convictions. And who knows Allah may change her mind on the Judgement day and throw all muslims in hell. What are you gonna do, protest and burn American flags on judgement day?
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
amnybody can come up with "gods" laws and persecute muslims
also.
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how thick is your head? we are talking about Muslims, Quran and the God we believe in. now if you wanna make monkey your God and he stops you from eating his banana then impose that law onto your area of governance (your family).
**Originally posted by NYAhmadi: *
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Changez, this is another one of those hotair balloons. There is no such thing as judgement day. If there were such a thing, Muslims won't be hell-bent issuing decrees and fatwas every day. If the Book is there (as you claim that it is), let those who stray worry about their convictions. And who knows Allah may change her mind on the Judgement day and throw all muslims in hell. *
Let the fatwa issuer issue all the fatwa they can, do you care? When I see a fatwa "that sect is kafir" I throw it out of my other ear. I know there is a judgment day, I'll get the decision from Allah swt. God in Quran has clearly mentioned the attributes of a "believer", anyone who passes that test is a believer to me... if he holds any other issues that are not defined in Quran it wouldn't bother to listen/know.
*What are you gonna do, protest and burn American flags on judgement day? *
If you wore American flag on that day, then I will burn it ;) j/k
how thick is your head? we are talking about Muslims, Quran and the God we believe in. now if you wanna make monkey your God and he stops you from eating his banana then impose that law onto your area of governance (your family).
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ask the those who bombed morroco saudi newyork philipines
bali thewy will come up with something in the name of god.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
[5.5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
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I don't quite see how this one prohibits man or woman from marrying a person from the society of believers? It looks to me as if it approves it for both.. Am I mistaken or is it declared in a different verse?
I dont clearly understand why this thread is treading way-off the original topic. Anyway, allow me to share what I have understood and believed so far.
1) A muslim (man/woman) can take a person from the 'People of Book' as their spouse - Christians and Jews. But have also heard people say that this wouldn't be 'religious' 'now' because the Scriptures of THESE 'People of Book' and all altered and adultrated to their own conveniences, and thus disqualifying any such alliances with them.
2) Be it Hindu, Buddhist or whoever, those who start to believe and convert to Islam can enter into a marital alliance with a muslim.
To the best of my understanding, I am not a scholar on these matters:
1) Regarding the alterations: In my opinion the fundamentals of Judaism and Christianity are still in rough compliance with Islam. It is in practice and in the many sects where they deviate. So the answer would really be subjective dependent upon the person. More things to consider though: Jews require conversion to Judaism.. I'm not up on the particulars so I can't tell you much more, but I do hear that a lot of the younger generation is breaking this. Christians, most sects, are unlimited in who they can marry. Of course, following the tenets of the religion, like most, it is desirable if the spouse would convert, but I don't think many are big on that these days.
2) People are allowed to convert to Islam. I don't see what would prevent them from enjoying its priveledges once they are Muslim in faith and practice.
A better question: What if a Hindu/Buddhist/whatever converted to Christianity? Would that be any different for a Muslim considering marriage since the rules for conversion to Christianity are not as stringent and the person may have lingering faith in their previous creed? (I say this not as a knock against Christianity, simply because it is a common thing. ex: I know when people in Korea were converted a century ago they really practiced it alongside Buddhism and their lingering animist beliefs.)
The paper said some sources in Norway’s Shia community had indicated that the daughter had recently fallen in love with a Sunni man. Her parents did not approve of the relationship
**Originally posted by rvikz: *
even marriage among muslims of different background creats so much
problem let alone different religens.
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your contribution is still zilch rvikz, try harder. problem you pointed is "man-made" not "God-made". its parents problem that they restrict their children from marrying other Muslims, Muslim from different social/national background etc.
I will repeat for you, this thread is about marriages allowed by "Islam" (God).
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
even marriage among muslims of different background creats so much
problem let alone different religens.
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your contribution is still zilch rvikz, try harder. problem you pointed is "man-made" not "God-made". its parents problem that they restrict their children from marrying other Muslims, Muslim from different social/national background etc.
I will repeat for you, this thread is about marriages allowed by "Islam" (God).
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do you intrepret god's law and enforce every corner of the world and to
every individual?
do you intrepret god's law and enforce every corner of the world and to
every individual?
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why must you put your words in his mouth all the time. During the whole discussion that's the only thing you did. Is this the only thing you're good at?
Chenges like is saying only what' in Quran. And that is that Muslims (Women and Men included) can marry muslims and the people of the book. Other religions don' fall in this catagory. Of course muslims can marry a hindu if they want and there is no stopping them BUT they would be going against the religion then.
i dont know what it really means "what your right hand possess"?
PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise
