But this leads to further splits and disputes in the society!
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I think it's more due to interpretation by different groups, school of thoughts and individuals.
Remember it's human who practices faith and Human senses are never perfect in this materialistic existence, hence criticism of Scriptures or Religious figure turns offensive for a few individuals, while few others consider it as a"criticism" depending upon their senses.
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La ikraaha fi-d Deen
There is no compulsion in matters of one's way of life
humans have been given free will for a reason.
There are many things in religion that need to be criticised. It would be unfair to subordinate the human beings of the 21st century to the god-concepts and ideals of earlier centuries.
Some criticism can be expressed only by using analogies or satire. That must be allowed. Often an important and necessary criticism was suppressed by calling it an insult to some great man or system etc.
A lot of fascism is being practised under the garb of religion - especially in islam and by muslims. Similarly a lot of imperialism is being practised in the name of faith, especially by muslims. That needs to be exposed and criticised.
There is no perfect religion or perfect book of guidance or any last and final prophet. Human beings need new guides, books, explanations etc. from time to time, and we have to listen to them without being fixated on some old ones.
There should be no book-centred or person-centred fascism and totalitarianism.
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There are many things in religion that need to be criticised. It would be unfair to subordinate the human beings of the 21st century to the god-concepts and ideals of earlier centuries.
thats just ur take on it. I on the other hand would like to be subordinate to a God concept which is 1400 years old and just as fresh today as it was back then.
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Some criticism can be expressed only by using analogies or satire. That must be allowed. Often an important and necessary criticism was suppressed by calling it an insult to some great man or system etc.
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dude by all means criticise the actions of the adherants of a faith but why do you need to insult the founders? Islam and Muslims perticularly are criticised about a hundred times more than any other religious group now a days, and yet people complain they are not allowed to criticise. Tune into any news channel and you'll hear phrases like "islamic militant", "islamic fundamentalism", islamic fachism", "islamic radical". Hypocracy?
Its all high talk when u'r talking about somone else. If i talk ill about your father or some other person u value in ur life, then we'll see how long the rehtoric holds.
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A lot of fascism is being practised under the garb of religion - especially in islam and by muslims. Similarly a lot of imperialism is being practised in the name of faith, especially by muslims. That needs to be exposed and criticised.
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really? it might be a bit inconvenient for you but most of the imperialism practiced is by non-muslims, whether its geographic or economic.
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There is no perfect religion or perfect book of guidance or any last and final prophet. Human beings need new guides, books, explanations etc. from time to time, and we have to listen to them without being fixated on some old ones.
There should be no book-centred or person-centred fascism and totalitarianism.
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Sure if thats wot u like. Others might have a different approach. When you are telling them, they can't have their way, aren't u being a fascist? Islam perticullarly is centered on God. We believe the book God revealed was perfect and for all times as God Himself is not bound by time. The wisdom contained in the book is for all times, as God's wisdom is not limited to certain times.
Now you might not believe in that God and thats fine. We are not telling you to conform to our ways, but it seems like you want us to conform to yours.
Re: criticising religions and their texts
There are many things in religion that need to be criticised. It would be unfair to subordinate the human beings of the 21st century to the god-concepts and ideals of earlier centuries.
Some criticism can be expressed only by using analogies or satire. That must be allowed. Often an important and necessary criticism was suppressed by calling it an insult to some great man or system etc.
A lot of fascism is being practised under the garb of religion - especially in islam and by muslims. Similarly a lot of imperialism is being practised in the name of faith, especially by muslims. That needs to be exposed and criticised.
There is no perfect religion or perfect book of guidance or any last and final prophet. Human beings need new guides, books, explanations etc. from time to time, and we have to listen to them without being fixated on some old ones.
There should be no book-centred or person-centred fascism and totalitarianism.
Dont feel bad bro, with criticism to Islam its gone overboard, I have come to such a stage that things hardly hurt me. But my experience over the past two years for your comments above, just have few words to say dont take it personally but the words above are only spoken or written by those guys who are
"Lame, weak, and feel bogged down" Hence, to protect there belief they have there own way of interpreteing and its mostly amongst the Indians, no dubt for sure because of the culture evident there adn I respect the culture but the belief is weak.
Just one more things there can be umpteen no. of falsehood but the TRUTH is one. I dont assert that Islam is the TRUTH, but i believe you have to ponder for the TRUTH yourself.
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I don't think its criticism of Islam as much as it is of people who think they know a lot about Islam, but primarily fall into the category of people who meet all the following criterion:
- "Experts" on Al-Bukhari and other hadith collections.
- Never opened the Quran in their life.
- Never read any other literary source written in the few decades after the Prophet's death EXCEPT the above-stated hadith collections
- Actually never read Al-Bukhari, et al completely - just found some website with a bunch of quotes on it, or listened to some Islamic school teacher that droned on about the virtuosities of life and only had a few Al-bukhari's to support themselves.
Pretty sad for a people for whom Angel Gibrael delivered the first divine message with the word "Iqra", or "read".
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La ikraaha fi-d Deen There is no compulsion in matters of one's way of life
humans have been given free will for a reason.
yep.
i look at it as...Allah (swt) sent us his messengers to pass on Allah (swt) message....and Allah(swt) sent out 4 books into this world...to guide us...in the end it is up to us to decided whether we will follow the religion of our Prophet (SAW) or will we go astray.
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[QUOTE] A lot of fascism is being practised under the garb of religion - especially in islam and by muslims. Similarly a lot of imperialism is being practised in the name of faith, especially by muslims. That needs to be exposed and criticised
depends on which time period u are talking about .
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*****The 21st century needs honesty and non-violence*
So did the centuries from 1st to the 20th. Since the beginning humans have been tempted to gain power and authority. This temptation will lead them to wars, fights, etc in the future as well.
The current economic imperialism of the world is it any better than a war or violence? Or is this any better than any religion?
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AOA
My dear brothers .......... rejecting or refuting some thing on the basis of " being old " or from past is not good or logical..............
and my question b4 I go further is ............it begins as centuries ago........
Zero, one, two, three............ seven , eight , nine, ten, eleven, twelve...........eighteen, ninteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, ...............................................................
am i right in the counting or wrong........ Please let me know especially my brother who started the thread and off course all the brothers...........
can simply qoute yes or no and reason why in my reply............
thanks
wasalam
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hey how come the thread opener’s post was removed 
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Badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, thread should have continued …closing/removing threads won’t solve the issue or answer the question… and in reality will develop far better understanding of religion… Alaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssss
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Can we not read the word "bad", without you adding a string of "d's"?
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Can we not read the word "bad", without you adding a string of "d's"?
My dear coz a lots of DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD's u responded otherwise ..............
thanks
Wasalam
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Okay, I'll bite.
What's wrong with fascism, or any other ideology you care to vilify, exactly? Other than what we've been taught to believe. Think about that.
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I don't think its a pleasant experience being on the receiving end of fascism, piccy. Do you?
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AOA
My dear bro's and sis's and originator of the thread i did not get any reply to #11................... u guys do not know how to count or my counting is wrong and you guys do not want to tell me..............
Thanks
WASALAM