Critic accuses media of aiding US war propoganda

I could see it right now, images of Saddam’s statue coming down during Bush’s bid for reselection. I for one wouldn’t be surprised if it were a staged media event. What they don’t show of course is that they were relatively few Iraqi’s in attendance, and that the square was surrounded by American tanks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Media_Watch

It is one of the most famous images of the war in Iraq (news - web sites): a U.S. soldier scaling a statue of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Baghdad and draping the Stars and Stripes over the black metal visage of the ousted despot.

“It was absolutely a photo-op created for (U.S. President George W.) Bush’s re-election campaign commercials,” MacArthur, a self-appointed authority on U.S. government propaganda, said in an interview. “CNN, MSNBC and Fox swallowed it whole.”

In the US...the media controls the way people think....it literally does....CNN, FOX, MSNBC and many other main news channels that the major part of the population depend on as their only source of information is very biased. Even in the most peacuful country of the world you would find some people who dont like their current government and hate their leaders, if u gather these people at a point and film them protesting and showing them to the world as "public"...its not fair...but again...people dont read and people depend on a few sources for their information...you are right...that particular area was surrounded by tanks who werent letting other people inside the premises and there were hardly 150 to 200 protesters...so thats not a representation of the entire iraqi population..

Sorry, was not certain where else this might fit.

New Iraqi TV Complains of U.S. Censorship, Saul Hudson
Reuters, 13 May 2003

The U.S.-sponsored Iraqi television station began broadcasts on Tuesday after complaining of American censorship, including efforts to stop it airing passages from the Koran, the Muslim holy book.

At the start of what is being trumpeted as a new broadcasting era in a nation fed on a diet of state propaganda, Baghdad residents with electricity saw the Iraqi flag appear on their screens as a pan-Arab nationalist anthem played. Deprived of any locally produced television since U.S. troops ousted president Saddam Hussein, Iraqis watched canned interviews and decades-old music shows. But the Iraqi Media Network postponed plans to air a half-hour live news program because of disputes over editorial control.

“As journalists we will not submit to censorship,” said Dan North, a Canadian documentary maker advising Iraqis at the station, which plans two hours of programming a night for viewers in Baghdad. “This whole idea was about starting the genesis of an open media so we will not accept an outside source scrutinizing what we produce.”

The charges of censorship could reaffirm for many Iraqis the perception that Washington is not allowing them a free hand in building democratic institutions. “All my neighbors say this TV is controlled by the Americans to get out their point of view,” said Abbas Mohammed, a cakemaker, who watched the broadcast in his living room with his family. “But I don’t care there was no news. In Iraq the news is always bad.”

U.S. officials made no comment on the censorship allegations. They had earlier said the station would be a welcome change from the Saddam era. “This is not American propaganda. This is the first time in 25 years Iraqis are getting TV that is not propaganda,” said Robert Teasdale, a U.S. adviser to the network.

**But North said the U.S.-led administration’s Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance (ORHA) had requested the station’s news programs be reviewed by the wife of Jalal Talabani, a Kurdish leader and a major figure in the postwar politics of Iraq.

“Could you imagine a political leader being able to check the content of any Western media?” North said.**

The news program would be postponed for a week because of the wrangling, said North, himself hired by the ORHA. The network did air verses from the Koran, a tradition in Middle Eastern countries, because the Iraqi workers threatened to walk out if they were dropped at the ORHA’s behest.

An eleventh-hour programming change on Tuesday cut an address by Jay Garner, the No.2 in the U.S.-led civilian administration. The station broadcast canned packages, including an interview with an electricity official and sound bites from Iraqis outside a hospital complaining of a lack of medicine. At the ORHA’s “suggestion,” the station cut one section in which a patient made an unsubstantiated accusation that U.S. soldiers were stealing gasoline, North said.

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In the US...the media controls the way people think...
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It's called the Law of Fruit Flies.. for where they get their attention span from. Things have to be entertaining to matter.

Nadia, as far as US propagnda/censorship/whatever goes in Iraq, I don't think it will be much of a problem for the Iraqis. In fact, I think it will be more of a problem for the US. Think about it.. every time we have tried influencing foreign people on their own turf, especially Arabs, how well has it gone? We don't know a thing about the people.. sure there are some that do know and prolly could pull off a decent prop campaign, but theyre sidelined thanks to the overconfident politburo types. Then you get things done half-assed just like everything else in the federal service system and it sputters along for a while, looks good even, but then it utterly collapses and the weak maintenance campaign turns into a weak clean up campaign and it is forgotten entirely.

So, don't worry.. we're only shooting ourselves in the foot. But that's ok cos there's not much left to hit.

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**I don't think it will be much of a problem for the Iraqis. In fact, I think it will be more of a problem for the US. Think about it.. every time we have tried influencing foreign people on their own turf, especially Arabs, how well has it gone?

...] So, don't worry.. we're only shooting ourselves in the foot. But that's ok cos there's not much left to hit.
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Spoon, hmmm:~/ Interesting, especially the last statements.

i believe your comments are wholly accurate, although it is not just the US, i feel, that has been ineffective at influencing foreign people on their own turf - if state propaganda in Arab countries had been successful, we might not have seen as large an interest in al-Jazeera as we do currently. (i am sorry, losing my memory, i don't remember the precise numbers, but i read somewhere that they enjoyed a massive audience in Arab countries prior to the invasion, which has increased subsequently). Regarding the US's attempts vis-a-vis Iraqi media - there is already so much entrenched distrust and suspicion, i fear, that endeavours like this are bound to fail.

The hardest part of anything, perhaps, is letting go. But, IMHO, for Iraq's media outlets to become truly democratic, we need to step back. This is their country, their media. If we were in it for democracy, here is one manner of proving it - by not interfering with the contents of their media programmes. Anything else, as you so aptly suggest, is bound to fail.

Sorry, you are absolutely right. I was just commenting on the fact that we never seem to learn from our mistakes. You are right that it is not just America that suffers from this, and it is not a new phenomenon. And while realistically it seems we are tripping in the same hole, that doesn’t take away from the fact that ideally we should know better and avoid it - not for our sake but for that of those who will cushion our fall. With this you are spot on :k: :

Hey :flower1: You never have to say sorry, Spoon, you stated nothing wrong. :flower1: … i agree. Sadly it seems as though we never heed the lessons from our mistakes. You are so right with the " weak maintenance campaign" turning into a “weak clean up campaign” only to be subsequently entirely forgotten. We’ll walk away, perhaps with the comforting thought that someone will be around to mop up the mess.

We never seem to learn from our own mistakes.

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I could see it right now, images of Saddam's statue coming down during Bush's bid for reselection. I for one wouldn't be surprised if it were a staged media event. What they don't show of course is that they were relatively few Iraqi's in attendance, and that the square was surrounded by American tanks.

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Well it is a clearly visible fact that it was American troops that pulled down that statue of Saddam, rather than Iraqi people - it will make for a nice image for Bush's re-election campaign.

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i have a better image for Dubby's re-election campaign. The ones of thousands of Iraqis, both Sunnis and Shi'ites, carrying banners proclaiming 'No to US, No to Israel, Yes Yes to Islam'. i think that banner should win him quite a few votes.

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i have a better image for Dubby's re-election campaign. The ones of thousands of Iraqis, both Sunnis and Shi'ites, carrying banners proclaiming 'No to US, No to Israel, Yes Yes to Islam'. i think that banner should win him quite a few votes.
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Maybe they will use those banners, and saying those people are "terrorists"?