some time ago i thought about posting it, but never did that anyway, but after my rankings have gone even below FG i am forced to post this. .:Di was just thinking how would it be if we start following Aus way of treating their young and senior players.
Normally a player in Aus plays atleast 2-4 years of first class cricket before they put him in international cricket (there are few exceptions too but i m talking about in most cases) this puts him in age of about 22-25. which makes him mature enough to play at international level and not give an excuse of immaturity after any lose.(which is often heard after Pakistani lose) they play him for a period of 6-8 years till he is good enough to keep his place or they have someone better for same position .
now they way he have in Pak is anybody who has potential to play at international level gets a chance regardless of his age, this is how it has worked for us for a long time. but the difference that i see is that 20 years ago, infact even 8 years ago there wasnt as much of internationl cricket as it is now so a player in Past had time to think about his game alot more than he has now…I think if he had mohammad hafeez play for Pak in late 80’s he would have enough time to overcome his weeknesses as batsman he to me had better technique than Rameez Raja who played in 80’s and despite flaws in technique played for long period of time. The other thing is the players are not threaten for their places in side so they continue on playing for 32+, i thinking it would serve better if we like Aus start giving comfort feeling to players which will always keep on their town to perform well, like Inzimam is rarely made to feel like as if he will be dropped, he was dropped after poor show in WC…but i think that was only bcoz of WC factor..i dont see him being dropped after this show in any other tournment…on the other hand we have Micheal Bevan who was nt offored the contract after an average showing by his standard or by the expectency level that ACB has from him. alos i can not believe that people like Rashid/Moin are still expecting to get back in side after we have had their substitute like Aatiq-uz man(99-2000), HUmayoun farhat (2001) and Kamran (2002).
We have had people like Mohammad Wasim, Mohammad Akram turn to other countries. Akram was unlucky along with Kabir khan, Shahid Nazir coz Fast bowling was served perfectly till 1999. But i am just using the names to talk about problem in system.
To sum up i think it will be good if we have players playing from ages of 23/24-30/31, which gives them time to come to international cricket with alot of playing experience and play them for few years till they actually effective and ask them to leave after that.
Others have moved on whereas we have been stationary for a longtime.
International cricket is much more tactical and professional in its approach then it used to be and we have to account for this in team selection and training.
In Australia and England they have a very organised and effective county system where the players are bloodied before being exposed to teh international cricket. We do not have such a system and therefore anyone who shows potential at a young age is thrust into the international limelight. Bringing in players at a young age is not a bad idea, so long as we have an effective league and county system. Therefore the solution lies in looking at our cricket structure and overhauling the current system. A start of sorts has been made with the various academies which have recently sprung up in various parts of the country. A lot still needs to be done.
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In Australia and England they have a very organised and effective county system where the players are bloodied before being exposed to teh international cricket. We do not have such a system and therefore anyone who shows potential at a young age is thrust into the international limelight. Bringing in players at a young age is not a bad idea, so long as we have an effective league and county system. Therefore the solution lies in looking at our cricket structure and overhauling the current system. A start of sorts has been made with the various academies which have recently sprung up in various parts of the country. A lot still needs to be done.
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Ehsan bhai the problem lies with the former players bitching about the current structure but the alternatives they present will effectivley kill cricket in Pakistan. Suggestions have been made to make cricket teams on regional basis instead of the current department system. The problem is that maybe cities like Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad can afford to pay their players as much as the departments pay but what about small town players ?? I doubt Vihari distrcit can make a team and then pay their players as much as they would get paid for play for the departments. These departments provide a living for our cricketers and unless PCB thursts enough money into the game that players from small towns can be comfortable playing fortheir town without the worry of going to sleep hungry at night this regional league will not work.
Some players have also suggested that we can have regional team sponsored by these departments. Well now the departments are use to having exclusive rights to the team, it would be very hard to convince them to give that up. Yes the board can redo everything and departments cant say anything but I doubt after that they will be willing to sponsor.
The jobs at the current department that player play for are kinda secure but not too lucrative. Everyone tries to burst into the international side, not just for their career but also to get some exposure and the possibility to get selected for English league. Plus we dont have proper grooming system so players have to mostly learn on their own. Once a player is in the national side he has already developed a style of his own. It is very hard to correct the flaws at that time.
Pakistan and India have been two countires that push playersin at a very young age and I dont see that changing even if we put a perfect cricketing system in place. Personally I dont think there is anything wrong with that either so long as the players have their basics right.
Omar bhai, I think the idea of sponsorship will work. At least they should give it a go. The sponsors might quite like the idea of sponsoring teams from various areas. It will be a PR exercise for them as well. I agree with you on the point that bringing om players at a young age is not a bad idea.
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Omar bhai, I think the idea of sponsorship will work. At least they should give it a go. The sponsors might quite like the idea of sponsoring teams from various areas. It will be a PR exercise for them as well. I agree with you on the point that bringing om players at a young age is not a bad idea.
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But how many teams can we get sponsored ?? I mean apart from the big cities, smaller cities will want to put in their teams as well. Plus I think it would just bring more animosity amonst the public. The whole Lahore Karachi thing already exsist now imagine Karachi beating Lahore in the finals of some tournament in Gaddafi stadium or Lahre beating Karachi at National stadium. Our emotional public gets carried away on Lahore Karachi issue as is this might put fuel on fire. The domestic circuit needs changes no doubt. But its the training changes. The teams currently just play cricket the way they know. No one is there to correct them.
Our domestic structure have always been very very weak. It looked a little respectable until we kept producing world class players. Basically that happened mostly until England decreased the quota of over seas players in one team. Before that we had our talented players go play county cricket and get polished. Now because of the limited number of players allowed not everyone gets an oppurtunity to play county cricket and their rough edgesare prominent when the play international cricket. I think what we really need is coaching institutes of different levles. First get their basics rights, then work on any deffenscies they have. They can keep playing domestic cricket in the mean time but atleast this way they will also work on their game.
No Omar bhai, I dont think the city issues will surface that highly. The cricketing public is much more mature than we give them credit for. The recent example being the Indo/Pak series and how well behaved the crowd was. If the Pakistani crowd can appreciate good cricket by India, I am sure they can appreciate each others teams as well. Your point regarding finding sponsors for some of the teams is quite valid. No one will probably want to sponsor a team from Chuk chumra. :)
Regarding county cricket, again your point is not entirely valid. The players who played here in the 70's and 80's were very talented. Even now we have 9 Pakistani players playing county cricket but they are unable to perform at International level. Mauhtaq Ahmed, Saqlain and Azhar being the prime examples. Even Razzaq has gone downhill over the last few years and he has been playing regulary for Middlesex.