Cowardly Idf Soldiers, amazing clip

[AlexB]

@janab-e-ali

Ah yes, so this completely intangible, semi-religious identity as “People of Israel” confers legal proprietary rights, and the right to dispossess and disenfranchise other peoples, who simply happen to have been living on the land for time immemorial.

The national identity does not confer property rights, and obviously not the right to dispossess, etc. It does confer the right to seek self-determination and independence. The property rights are dealt with and being transferred in the same way as it happens everywhere since time immemorial – legal agreements and monetary compensations.

@janab-e-ali

Thank you for cherry-picking the best images you could find. I can also go through google images and find plenty of terrible images of the crushing poverty in most of these refugee camps

Actually, I did not cherry-picking. You can google “Nablus” yourself. You can even visit Nablus personally if you wish. But as I said, it is quite similar to the Jewish existence in Europe for the most of its history.

@janab-e-ali

Then why were you trying to make your argument by calling into question the genetic purity and historic migration patterns of the Palestinian people? And who, pray tell, gave you the right to negate the “national identity” of the Palestinian people, or to claim that your “national identity” takes precedence over theirs and entitles you to completely disenfranchise them as a people? Your arguments reek of an inherent superiority complex over the Palestinians.

Also the history of the Palestinian national identity and Jewish national identity is quite different, by no means I negate the national identity of the Palestinian people. On the contrary, I fully support the idea of an independent Palestinian state. I will tell you more. Anyone who supports the idea of Jewish independence in the Jewish state must support the idea of Palestinian independence in the Palestinian state, and vice versa. Any other position is nothing but miserable hypocrisy.

@janab-e-ali

Historical reality is that Jews have a history of migration and thriving settlements throughout the old world, including at one point over a millennium ago, Palestine.

Not exactly. The Jews have originated as a people and as a nation and had their own state in that land, which Romans later called Palestine. After that, they were dispersed and migrated, but never again they had their own state anywhere on the planet, no country were they would constitute a majority, no other capital since Jerusalem. In every other place they were a minority, frequently a persecuted one. So, no, the Land of Israel for the Jews is not like any other place in the world.

@janab-e-ali

I wasn’t speaking of individuals. No other ethnic group with such a distant history of exile has claimed similar “national rights” to the homeland of the ancestors of their ancestors. Like I said, why don’t the Moors have a right to carve out a homeland in Andalucia?

Yes, the Jews are quite unique. No other nation has preserved its distinct national identity for so long after a loss of independence.
Regarding Andalusia, the Spaniards have Spain, the Arabs have Morocco (not to mention other Arab states). Both sides got their national aspirations satisfied. The historical border shifts between the two nations is exactly what it is – a history, just like many other border shifts all over the world.
There is a big difference between having your national home smaller than it used to be at some point of history and not having one at all.