Cow Parade

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I personally used to put myself in the atheist group but I realized that if I do find myself in a life and death kind of a situation where there’s absolutely no way out and i’m scared to death, I would actually do some serious praying to God to get me out of that situation.
Now, I don’t see myself as a majorly religious person where I go to the temple everyday but I do believe in the existence of God(in my heart and in all things). I just try and weed out all the illogical and not-so-scientific things about religion out of my thoughts. If that doesn’t make any sense at all to anybody, I don’t care:D:rotato:.

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No ssing with due respect to you, you answered but not to my question for sure. But i thought i was looking for an answer

1) Are creator and creation the same, and if they are the same then why?
This was my answer but i got different answers, correct me if coz i have a very low understanding capacity if this is waht you answered i am extremely sorry.

2) Regarding non-muslims asking to any muslims query you know the truth, as more queries come from non-muslims, and you can go ahead to google and jsut type islam and you will get your answers, i can challenge on it. Coz its not only in this forum the non-muslims flinch from answering but most of them.

3) Amongst non-muslims the only one guy i respect a lot was the The Old man a christian, but was here for entire discussion, unlike most of them who run away when mind games are played e.g. is matrubhoomi he stopped his discussion in 3 threads, and never came back.

4) My answer to my own query is if creation and the creator are one and the same then who is the creator, because if creation has to exist then there has to be a creator.
Just like i am the creator of a radio (hypothetical situation) i myself cant be a radio, myself i hope you get my point.

Again if the creation and creator are one there can by only two options left

a) The creation was created from nothing.

b) Otherwise the creation came up on its own.

We know from point 2 that if creation came up on its own, then we as human beings are better of laughing coz we cant create ourselves, coz you and me cant create ourselves.

Now point 1 the creation came from nothing, ok fine if creation came from noting then we have to agree there is no creator. So you have to agree thre is no creator, but if you agree there is a creator and he is himself the creation then this again does not fit any common sense or logic for sure.

Becaue if every thing is God that is creation is God so are we implying the stuff we secrete is also God there is no denial of it, we have to agree everything is God.

If we say there is no creator then, there should be no creation also coz a human laws do not agree with this. Its like me stating since mobile is made out of silicon, and in Arab desert it was there for 1000 years and it came up on its own, took its own shape.

So the idea of creation from noting is debunked due to non agree ment with human laws. Now this is my point of discussion now i would like you to go ahead from here, and explain and correct me if i am wrong. This is whre i was using common sense and logic and not faith. Waiting for your rebuttal.

Remember one thing i can still believe in Creator, a cosmic super power without adhering to any religion or faith on the face of earth.

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What you call a "creation" might be something that has always existed in some form or another. The idea that there must be a "creator" is man made, you see god was created in the image of man by man, not the other way around.

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Mallika for your above post I will again say “Sadhu! Sadhu!” – meaning well said --thank you. Unknowingly you have un-earthed an important aspect of Dharma.

You know this is one more beauty of Dharma, because it’s the most personal.
It’s NOT communal like other religion – it’s Sanatan!!

Your experience, your belief, your realization of God, or in whatever way you want God, it’s limited to YOU personally.

Why I am stating it here is that because it gives you infinite room, infinite space for exploration and experiencing THAT BEING.

If you say that YOU realized GOD and found HIM like Formless, a mass of concious being — Dharma will say Fine. Good. Thank you.

But again, next day if another Bhakti Yogi like you will say that No I find God looks like a Child Krishna, or Shiva in deep meditation or Durga/Shakti with attributes, or like Christ…Dharma will again say Fine , Good Thank you.

Meaning is that realization of God of one person will NOT negate the realization of God of another person.

this is where Dharma has it’s true Universal nature.

If you will NOT believe in Krishna, Dharma will NOT call you an “apostate” or “rejector” or “hell bound infidel, Kaffir” etc.

That is why I say repeatedly—Hinduism is ALSO great.

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See it is not about "low" understanding capacity. it is about coming to any conclusion or believing it.

There is no creator or creation. Whatever you see always existed. Law of science, energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. This universe is nothing but energy, which can never be created nor be destroyed. It always existed. And there is no point in looking for it as to who "created", you will enter into an infinite loop.

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2) Regarding non-muslims asking to any muslims query you know the truth, as more queries come from non-muslims, and you can go ahead to google and jsut type islam and you will get your answers, i can challenge on it. Coz its not only in this forum the non-muslims flinch from answering but most of them.
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It can be said other way round. For the sake of doing dawah, muslims preach their beliefs and point other faiths "loopholes". so what's wrong, if other side also comes back with similar type of arguments?....even before you came to this forum, there were similar kind of arguments here.

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3) Amongst non-muslims the only one guy i respect a lot was the The Old man a christian, but was here for entire discussion, unlike most of them who run away when mind games are played e.g. is matrubhoomi he stopped his discussion in 3 threads, and never came back.
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Matrubhoomi should control from getting exited i guess..:D ...i guess this is the first forum in which he is participating, with time he will learn and will be carefull while speaking out(just like me ;) )

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4) My answer to my own query is if creation and the creator are one and the same then who is the creator, because if creation has to exist then there has to be a creator.
Just like i am the creator of a radio (hypothetical situation) i myself cant be a radio, myself i hope you get my point.

Again if the creation and creator are one there can by only two options left

a) The creation was created from nothing.

b) Otherwise the creation came up on its own.

We know from point 2 that if creation came up on its own, then we as human beings are better of laughing coz we cant create ourselves, coz you and me cant create ourselves.

Now point 1 the creation came from nothing, ok fine if creation came from noting then we have to agree there is no creator. So you have to agree thre is no creator, but if you agree there is a creator and he is himself the creation then this again does not fit any common sense or logic for sure.

Becaue if every thing is God that is creation is God so are we implying the stuff we secrete is also God there is no denial of it, we have to agree everything is God.

If we say there is no creator then, there should be no creation also coz a human laws do not agree with this. Its like me stating since mobile is made out of silicon, and in Arab desert it was there for 1000 years and it came up on its own, took its own shape.

So the idea of creation from noting is debunked due to non agree ment with human laws. Now this is my point of discussion now i would like you to go ahead from here, and explain and correct me if i am wrong. This is whre i was using common sense and logic and not faith. Waiting for your rebuttal.

Remember one thing i can still believe in Creator, a cosmic super power without adhering to any religion or faith on the face of earth.
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I am getting what you are telling. I can clearly understand because even i used to think like this. But i have COMPLETELY lost faith in this type of belief. hopefully, you will also see my point of view in some point of time.

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Dear o dear -- where did I stop. May I humbly say that it's an accusation, if it is so then I demand justification. Please justify where I never came back.

And yeah, I am not an NRI -- foreign living expat desi sitting in front of Kampooter.
I live in India and timings here differ from your timings. Right now my night is already gone.

Now coming back to your explanation of Creator and Creation-- obviously as expected it confirms your belief of Quranic concept of God.

As per my view, I have already made clear there cannot be MY view, as I haven't realized God.

That is why I took a lot of pain in writing the first post of this page, particularly for you, please have a look at that I have asked you to analyse it with patience in that same post.

Please do that and let me know what you find "un-agreeable". it's the concept of NOn-dualism --beautifully explained by sage Yajnavalkya--who realized it all.

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Haan, I agree, forumming is something new for me.

Lekin main Ranbhumi se bhaganey wala Sainik nahin hoon. You can trust me on that. It's promise of a Deshbhakt.:D

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Hahahahahaha…tell me it was a typo :omg:

Is this a battle field? It is not..Not even a virtual battle field…why deshbhakt should come here?..Over deshbhakti = chauvinism !.

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:hehe: Well I have to admit that some of the things in Hinduism I really do love like the above statement and the fact that Hinduism says that there is no need to convert to Hinduism because all the religions of the world already point to the same one God.
had to type fast, excuse all typos…gotta go

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Well deshbhakt, ekto deshbakt hamare office mein tha, he is getting married i asked him for why are you getting married he told me, i want to take more responsibiltiy i asked great.

Then i asked him, are you a patriot (to unho to kaha my father was in army, so you should know the answer) he told me yes, if your say patriotic and you want more responsibility why dont you go to villages and help the people out there or poverty stricken indians.

Then later i asked him, are you a deshbakth he told me know. Well just joking hum bhi deshbakth hain to ham bhi run bhoomi se bhaage ge nahin.

Just joking, regaring Matrubhoomi’s post i will read it, followed by ssingh’s mail. Well, thanks regards.

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[quote=“ssingh, post:3, topic:165382”]

Nahin, Koi Typo nahin, Devnagari to English spelling gets often confused while using matra or pi as “a”. :halo: .

On a side note, is your mother tongue Hindi?

I am all for Deshbhakti not “over”.

IMHO, “over” is when it clashes with the interest of motherland and genuine Deshbhakti can never clash with interests of Desh. It defeats the purpose of Deshbhakti in that case.

Regarding battlefield – sometime defending Dharma becomes necessary, when some religions try to Evangelicalize the cow for achieving their “ideological” and “religious” ambitions.
If I will say any further facts it may hurt their sentiments.

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ok slaveofallaah,matrubhoomi and ssingh enough bickering, group hug:hugz:

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I just read your rebuttal, i just thought let me add some my insights to it according to what i believe, and i totally support your belief as you are entitled to and will be.

Firstly we have to understand if there was no creation, i would agree we could get into the infinite loop (well if there was no creation, you and i wouldnt be here, as we are a part of creation.

The form of energy that can neither be created nor destroyed is debatable, even amongst the scientists so we just leave this apart.

Secondly the question of infinite loop would only arise to me if there was no creation, since now there is creation the question of infinite loop is away.
Now let provide you a similarity. I want to build a building, but i ask my friend to help me out, my buy my friend in return tells me unless my other friend helps me out i wont help you, so the third friends also mentiones the same things, the fourth also, until infinite times. So what you see here is with infinite loop no work is happening to my building and its still a barren and empty land.

The same concept can be considered to God, if we question who created God, then who created the second God, then who created the third God, who created the fourth God, until infinite times, what we then see is no creation existing. But since the creation exists there has to be a creator.

I dont know how can a human mind logically comprehend, if one day i have to come and tell you there was a palace which was built on its own, with wonderful marbles, well decorated, room wonderfully constructed and it came up on its own without anyones support.

Well, i am away as i mentioned you are ofcourse and entitled for your set of believes and i completely agree with/ with matrubhoomi you have your set of believes, because you have your own evidence for those set of believes, its the same with me too. :)

Regards,

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I am up for it:D