Will you get one?
If not, why not? Just curious. Feel free to discuss any theories you are leaning towards.
Currently atleast two are approved and rolled out in US and west while from what I heard, there are two more applied in other countries.
I will try my best to avoid the covid19 vaccine at least for next 5 years until some longitudinal studies confirm its side effects. If I’m pressurized, I will opt for the Russian or Chinese vaccine as they are more traditional. I’m especially fearful of the mRNA vaccines as it tinkers with our DNA, which is just crazy ! Imagine getting Cancer 5 years down the road due to it.
I highly respect everyone’s opinion on this since the whole situation is so fuzzy. But do you think 5 years is a realistic term?
Also do you think your opinion may change considering
(a) All healthcare workers getting vaccinated first
(b) Conditions like vaccination needed for travel etc?
If its a matter of life and death then ok
those in critical stage , old age , assorted underlying diseases, high risk jobs, few years to live by anyway etc etc
travelling industry needs it as the countries travelling in and out requires it not that they want to imho
its a new and keeps mutating into new variation
so will it be effective or also needs adjustment as it goes on
its just like when new disease was foumd in history measles AIDS Dengue Fever etc etc but much worse
Assorted vaccine and no co operation in solving origin/source seems like WHO is dead or this has become a buisness
Will avoid it and pray that the need for one doesnt arises Ameen
I'll avoid it for the time being. The situation isn't very bad in my city and I don't really fear dying due to Covid.
I might opt for it in the future if the health minister strongly recommends it.
I believe your curiosity is understandable, but if you are asking other, it would be a courtesy to give your opinion first.
A number of new and experimental techniques have been used in these vaccines, the safety of which have not been fully evaluated. It is important to note that these vaccines have been given the status of “Emergency Authorized” which is not the same as “Approved”. Hence, these vaccines should be administered to those high risk groups, where the risks of not administering the vaccines are much higher than the known and unknown risks. Many countries are going to adopt this approach, where they will wait and see the results of the first batch of vaccine administrations elsewhere.
The mutation of the virus is another concern. It is already been widely circulated that there is a new and likely more potent version of the virus identified in the UK and in the travelers from UK. These vaccines likely will not be effective against the new variants, unfortunately.
Ofcourse happy to give my opinion.
Its not only this issue but on every single one, I strongly believe on listening to the experts, rather than becoming one on the base of spawned theories on yt/social media.
So for this biggest dilemma that human generations have faced in like 100 years, I would go with what the medical experts are saying. And I give a big credit to the decision of having all medical health professionals taking the shot first which they are proudly and gladly getting.
However I do share the concern that the trials were apparently conducted in haste so not all conditions may be satisfied yet. For example, from what I read the pregnant ladies were not a part of trial and thats a huge portion. But for people with no underlying conditions it can be ok.
As for mutilation of virus is concerned, from a couple of articles I read thats exactly how all viruses act. They do start mutilating. May need to read more of how vaccines act during this process
Detail of latest mutilation:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/coronavirus-mutation-science-explained/
A diagram to understand how the vaccines works:
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First of all, I would like to take this issue objectively, without having an emotional feeling attached to it. Personally, I would avoid using terms like proudly and gladly because these terms are completely irrelevant when you consider scientific studies. The infographics that you have attached is also irrelevant because this is a technology pamphlet, which does not give you much information on the risks associated with this experimental technology (It does indicate that the vaccine has not been licensed for use in humans.).
Personally, I have been going through the information that the vaccines companies are passing to FDA and other authorities and their investors. That information is unfiltered and allows you make informed decisions. I understand that not all are interested (or have the understanding) to go through those documents and should go with what the health authorities are recommending in their localities.
https://investors.biontech.de/
https://investors.modernatx.com/
https://www.astrazeneca.com/investor…entations.html
https://investors.pfizer.com/investo…w/default.aspx
It is highly unlikely that a vaccine developed for one strain will be effective for another strain of the same virus. This is a known concern with viral mutations. This is one of the reasons, flu vaccines administered annually are only partially successful, as the prevalent flu virus strain for a certain year may not be the same as the one for which flu shots have been administered for that year.
Keeping your belief in focus, I am attaching a link to an article published in October 2020 in the The British Medical Journal, a reputed medical journal. Among other things, the article highlights the discrepancies in the projected information and reality.
I bet the deceased Mr Rizvi would have advised his followers to not take the vaccine. I feel people who opt out from the vaccine should not be allowed in work places, shops and businesses and they should have to wear tags. When their decisions puts everyone else in harms way than businesses and coworkers can decide to not interact with these people.
I feel strongly about people who pull the masks below their nose, touch, feel, squeeze produce in stores
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Oh hell yeah! will have it at the earliest opportunity i get. Look at the people drowning themselves in booze, rotting their lungs with smoke, and digging themselves an early fat grave eating all that junk and talkin bout the evils of a vaccine for a virus that has killed more than a million in quick time, yeah dont get it if you dont want to, more for them who need it and care
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I believe there are people out there
who dont pull the masks below their nose, touch, feel, squeeze produce in stores ( those i have seen touching products have disposable gloves on, another hit item of covid)
or
dont drown themselves in booze, rot their lungs with smoke, and dig themselves an early fat grave eating all that junk
are sceptical of these vaccine also
just because their opinion is not in tune with those in favour does not mean the vaccine is evil
go ahead try it out but do post update about the after effect if any so as more people get can better knowledge
either the vaccine will have more pro then co or will be the opposite
its a wait and see peoples result thing
no harm in giving to those in forefront of corona but not good if society imho
it is a unique situation which has been exacerbated by increasing public mistrust in the main stream media. Personally, I believe people like Bill Gates, have only helped increase this mistrust. Globally, this situation has been exploited by ruling governments and their oppositions to win favour from public, and it has only resulted in making the situation from bad to worse. On top, corporate interests and lack of transparency has made people uncomfortable.
Personally, I always study the literature that comes with any medicine and try to understand the side effects. Similar is the case here where I would like to understand the same for these vaccines. From what I have read, the side effects of the new vaccines are not going to be well understood anytime soon. Unless absolutely necessary, I would avoid these vaccines.
Well I'm glad all you distinguished Immunology professors have raised some very valid points. You Sirs, would like to sit on the fence and let the silly buggers like us take the shots and see what happens to the guinea pigs. One centre of excellence even implied that he is happy for the society not to have it as it may cause untold harm but happy for the 'those on the forefront' i.e people like me, the doctors, healthcare workers, teachers, police, bus drivers and delivery workers etc to take the bullet for them, like them people are disposable assets or somehow immune to all the ills of vaccines that the 'society' is prone to dying from! what a wonderfully selfless and courteous thought! words fail me...
Now coming to your arguments that you are happy not to have vaccine and those who want to can have it. You might be thinking how come you lot not getting vaccinated can cause any harm to others who do, and hence you must not be forced to have it until (if ever) your time of choosing. So my dear learned ladies and gentlemen, may I remind you that you unvaccinated folks are a danger to every other person, vaccinated or non-vaccinated. As I'm sure you can recall from the hours of Immunology lectures you had to attend the vaccine efficacy rates vary from person to person, but none are 100% effective of course it will be imbecilic to expect them to be. That as I'm sure you will recall from your high school lessons in epistemology and logic is what is known as the Nirvana fallacy, but I'm sure I don't have to explain such a basic failure of critical cognisance to somebody as learned as you.
Anyways back to your little pox rat. As you know in a given population, the serostatus will vary, when you allow for the immunocompromised and the inevitable odd seroreversion it becomes clear that every unvaccinated person becomes a risk, not only of spreading VPDs but also of becoming an incubator for viral mutations, further increasing the risk to the society.
Realistically, though your precious little epidemic factory isn't a danger, its the irresponsible, woefully uneducated, self-aggrandising vaccine doubting people who are the real danger.
Anyways glad I could clear that up for you, now when you have a minute, do you think you could see your way clear to back up your ridiculous claims that the vaccines might cause horrible side effects and must not be made mandatory, because people are starting to suspect you were just talking out of your ass.
Now time for me to return to my beachside cabin on the northern tip of the Gold Coast and enjoy the serenity of tropical blue water meeting the pearl white sandy beaches. Best of luck and happy holidaying.
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Very passionate post. Indeed you have the luxury of having this thought as you are sitting on the beautiful white sandy beaches of Australia, a country which has already planned a phased approach to COVID vaccination. The phased approach will target the most at-risk population groups first. This will allow the health authorities to gauge the safety of the vaccines, without exposing the rest of the population to unnecessary risks. You dramatization of the scenario is well written but Governments and Corporations don’t think like that. A number of experimental techniques are being deployed in preparation of these vaccines and vaccine safety could not been gauged up to the required level. It will be a disaster if the uncontrolled deployment of vaccine starts resulting in mass-scale adverse effects or in creating a more resistant strain of virus, both of which are stated possibilities. Unfortunately, the “guinea pigs” are required to determine the safety for a broader deployment.
Clearly lack understanding of corona sahib
its different in different places and have to be dealt differently with nothing in common
loosen up as its here for long
having it far earlier and longer then you Aussie walay
Many may not have a choice and employers would require the employees to get vaccinated
I guess that Imran Khan is also part of the conspiracy now since Gates foundation signed an agreement to invest $200 million in PTI Ehsaas program?
Forget about his polio program support though apparently pathans haven’t been sterilized for all these years with these inoculations. Perhaps Bill Gates should sponsor an actual vaccine so we sterilize afghanistan, pakistan, india and bangladesh from procreating like kuttay billi.
Now I understand why Pakistan deserves crooks like Zardari and Nawaz to fleece the country when supposedly educated people like you spread nonsense about Bill Gates.
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