Cousin Marriages

Cousin Marriages

Cousin marriage is common in all Muslim countries. It is in accordance with the teaching of the Holy Quran and our Prophet had married his daughter with his uncle son. There were no defects in the children. Cousin marriage is thought to generate more stable relationship. Children are born with defects whether it is cousin marriage or not. Among migrant Muslim communities the defects are due to many factors. The pressure of moving to a different cultural environment and moving from their families, problems of racism and employment are responsible for the defects during pregnancies. The defects are nothing to do with cousin marriages. The hidden agenda is that British society does not want Muslims to bring their spouses from Muslim countries. A man/woman has the right to marry anybody from anywhere. It is a question of human right and the right given to Muslims by the Holy Quran and the sayings of the Holy Prophet.
I would like to see each and every Pakistani parent should marry their sons and daughters in Pakistan so that their offsprings could speak, read and write Urdu language and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. The racist British education system has produced only notoriously monolingual Pakistani Brits. Pakistani parents would like their children to be well versed in Standard English, Arabic and Urdu languages and to be part of the British society as well as keeping in touch with their cultural roots. Marrying cousin is and has always been legal in the UK. It is not only migrant communities who have children with their cousins, rural communities have their fair share…truly… and lets not even look at the inbreeding within royalty and the aristocracy. How else do you think the aristocracy held onto 90% of the land for so long? Muslim community is an easy target to wag the fingure at. There is no hard evidence that married to cousin causes birth defects. Before picking on Pakistanis just remember that Queen and Prince Phillip are third cousins. Glass houses…stone…. I do not think fingers should be pointed at Pakistani culture; it is another witch hunt against Muslim community. Native English people marry their cousins as well and have done for centuries. British society is ignorant regarding UK law. Henry V111 changed the law so he could marry his cousin. And it still remains legal to marry your cousin in UK today. In Britain, every Pakistani is not a Muslim and neither do they all get married to their cousins. I am sick of British media and politicians like Baroness Ruth Deech and Keighly MP Ann Cryer bashing Muslim communities every day. The hatred towards Muslim communities has grown to a level that defies all logic and even affront to British values. The problem is that Britain has never made communities feel part of British identity and people lives “parallel lives”. Faith schools are part and parcel of British education system but Muslim schools are being discouraged and regarded as “Osama bib Laden Academies.
Iftikhar Ahmad

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I would like to see each and every Pakistani parent should marry their sons and daughters in Pakistan so that their offsprings could speak, read and write Urdu language and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
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Is this your primary concern? If so, then the familial relationship between two people should have nothing to do with it. Pakistani parents that are not related are more than capable of teaching their children to speak/read/write Urdu.

Anyways, sure, it sucks to be discriminated against. But at least it's still legal there. First-cousin marriages are currently illegal in about half of the states in the U.S. (and we're supposedly less Islamophobic!)

Ummm... the Prophet's (SAWS) uncle's son is the Prophet's (SAWS) own cousin, not the cousin of his daughter. His daughter married her distant uncle (her father's cousin).

Therefore, you cannot use that marriage to support your argument as it is not relevent.

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so this is your solution to solve Pakistan's problems?

Glad to know your interest in Pakistan's problems. ;)

P.S. This issue has been discussed in detail in Life forum.

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^ you're welcome. Pakistan's problems are our problems too. If Pakistan attains peace we will be at peace as well leading to regional growth and prosperity

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I have moved it to culture from WA.

Iftikhar, u really need to stop spamming forums with this nationalistic CR*P and trying to dress it up as Islamic. You also need to learn to differentiate between Islam and culture.

As has already been mentioned cousin marriages are allowed but not encouraged in Islam, in fact it’s encouraged to marry outside to increase the ummah. Having said that if one random pair of first cousins would like to marry that in itself is ok, the problems come about if these cousins parents are also first cousins and their grandparents were also first cousins and so on. There is only a slightly higher risk if one set of cousins marry but obviously in a lot of desi families several generations are linked in this way, multiplying that risk over and over. To say that defects aren’t due to this is shockingly ignorant, even Islamic scholars admit excessive cousin marriage can lead to abnormalities. For the ppl who say ‘Allah wouldn’t have made it halal if it could cause us harm’ many halal things can cause us harm when done in excess, meat is halal yet if we have too much of it we end up obese and can have high cholesterol etc. Please remember Allah also gave us brains so we could use our common sense.

'The Islamic view is that while marriage between cousins is permissible, it is preferable to choose a marriage partner from outside one’s family. We have to distinguish between what is permitted and what is advocated. Some clans restrict marriages to amongst their kin only – a practice far from what is advocated. **It is worth stressing here that when marriage of cousins is repeated over several generations, they are bound to have more effects on children.
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**By permitting such marriages Islam does not encourage them. It advocates the cementing of social relations through marriages between totally unrelated families. **

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) once told one of his Companions to choose a wife from a tribe different to his, and then to choose for his son a wife from a third tribe, and to seek for his second son a girl from yet another tribe.’

Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544772#ixzz0nb8SbsRC

You say you would like to see each and every Pakistani family to marry their kids off ‘back home’, do the kids get a say in this or are u an advocate of forced marriages as well??? Some of them obviously would prefer to marry from back in Pakistan but I’ll bet more would say ‘no.’

If you want ur kids to speak Urdu try teaching them yourself at home or speaking it as much as u can to them, it’s not hard for kids to become bilingual, most of us can easily manage our ‘mother tongue’ as well as English. I know some schools do offer Urdu GCSE so it’s not as tho kids would never have the chance to take that up if they really wanted to, what it seems like is that u want to make it obligatory. I don’t understand why you’re so obsessed with squeezing money out of the gov for your own ‘Muslim’ schools (but of course u really mean just Pakistani, not Muslim seeing as tho u only ever seem to bleat on about Urdu and no other language). Are u going to demand Pakistani-only universities as well and kick out all the non-Pakistanis (like that rubbish u were spouting before about taking all non-Muslim kids out of schools were there are a majority of Muslim pupils and designating them Muslim-only, seriously do u even know what country you’re living in??)..

Your excuse for EVERYTHING seems to be racism, the racist British gov, the racist school system etc lol, has it ever crossed ur mind why the Indian and Chinese communities have done so well whilst we havent (yet)??? You need to stop automatically blaming others for our problems..

Just incase ppl were wondering what others thoughts were on IftikharA’s rants check out the Ummah and Maniac Muslim forums, he’s been spamming every Islamic and Pakistani board he can find with this stuff (sometimes just returning to repost what he’s already written)..

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An interesting article regarding the devastating results of ‘inbreeding’ that used to be common amongst European royalty****:

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That would make the husband her uncle, not cousin. FAIL.

Also, it is permissible if there isn’t any other option viable. Read the sources a little more well..

That’s his will. But keep on marrying cousins, and it is likely you’ll get a child with a defect. Good for you for bestowing upon a young, innocent life a problem that it isn’t his/her fault, just because you wanted to prove a stupid point.

Did you fail grade 9 biology? If so then that’s the only way you can say that defects like thalassemia, sickle cell disease, Trisomy 21 etc are possible because you moved from one place to another. another FAIL.

If you’re saying that, then it’s possible for a father to marry his daughter, a brother to marry his sister, a grandmother to marry her own grand daughter. Again, I think we all know that is SOO very haram.

good for you. BTW, how many people born and raised in Pakistan do you know enjoy Urdu literature and poetry? Ask them to name 1 great writer of the last century. Now ask them who Edward Cullen is.

How are these two points related? What is wrong with learning the local languages? Punjabi, Sindhi, Seraiki, Pushto etc etc. Let’s not start on the Urdu-centric nature of Pakistan, shall we.

Wrong. He upheaved an entire country’s religion and law so he could divorce his current wife, a princess nonetheless, and marry his mistress, so she could bear him a boy-child. Seriously, are you not watching the Tudors?

uhuh…your point is?

Oh btw, inbreeding does lead to a lot of genetic defects. UAE has the highest ratio of congenital diseases, the top of the list is ofcourse Thalassemia and Sickle Cell disease, not to mention G6PD deficiency. And this is ofcourse, from the UAE official sources, and we ALL know how hush hush these people are. And these people marry their cousins who marry their cousins who marry their cousins.