Cousin Marriage ... Islam Allows it but.....

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Cousin Marriage … Islam Allows it but…

@psyah

Peace phoenixdesi

I studied the findings and made a spreadsheet as below, the reports are quite misleading:

To summarise:

The British-Pakistanis of Bradford are 3 times more likely to have children of congenital problems than the national all race average. (73% of the Bradford children with congenital problems were Pakistani in origin, 27% were others)

But the total number of children with congenital disorders is 386 out of 11396 … giving a percentage of 3.387% … So that is to say around 2% are of Pakistani origin and 1% are of Other origin.

Looking deeper still the 87 children born to Brit-Paks cousins (1922 of them) with congenital problems made up 4.5% of that number.

Surprisingly the rest 3205 children had among them 195 children who had congenital problems born of Brit-Paks who were not cousins, which is 6.1%.

So here the children of non-cousin parents had MORE problems than the children of cousin parents !!!

The problem of congenital diseases is more to do with race than it is to do with marrying cousins.

Also … the data set is skewed … Bradford has a very specific gene pool - containing lots of Pakistanis from a certain region in Pakistan. It is not fair to represent all Pakistanis with a sample set from Bradistan … I mean Bradford.

Also, about 50% of congenital problems are risks and the others are actual diseases … for example risk of heart disease, this is more to do with our make-up - bodily we are meant for hotter climates than the UK, so it means our eating fats is worse than the British Whites eating fats … And yet again … Our diseases are a result of our extreme intake of meat as well … We are among the biggest meat eaters in the UK and that will indeed affect our children.

Finally … coming to your point … about ijtihad … Rulings are applied in two instances:

1. When a major issue is developing - let’s say more than 15% of the population is affected.
2. When it is clear that the cause is x, y and z

As shown the concept of cousin marriages is being witch-hunted … and it is not really clear what is making the Pakistani population suffer more from congenital problems … And as can be seen although we may be several times more likely than others of having such diseases … the total numbers and percentages are still very low … 3% of the total population of children suffer from congenital diseases and around 2% of the total population of children born have congenital problems AND are of Pakistani origin. 1.7% of BritPak births result in congenital problems from cousin-marriages and a smacking 3.8% of BritPaks births result in congenital problems from non-cousin marriages. But still in total 5.5% of BritPak births are problematic …

There is greater evidence here to suggest that we should marry non-Pakistanis forget about cousins - so do you want the ulema to make a ruling that Pakistanis should no longer marry each other?

No as can be seen 1.7% or even if we take 5.5% - these are small numbers and rulings are made on majority cases - and even if we force the issue at least they must be more than 15 or 20% cases to really count.

Can you seriously see something made halal for us by Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW) could harm us in any way?

thx Pyash…

issue is that you have already made up your mind when you said “can you seriously see something made halal for us by Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW) could harm us in any way?” and what you are trying to do by your analysis is to defend this statement with a preconceived notion…appreciate your religious passion but that is not the way you do research…if we go by your thesis, no need of ijtihad, ijmah or qiyas…just lakeer kay faqeer. Islam is far more progressive than what you think…

Dear pyash, I must say that you have been intellectually dishonest in your analysis. Of course, we all know that if a pakistani marries a german girl and if cousin marriages occur in that family in next generation, it would be of a less to no problem … so YES one can say that the concept of cousin marriage is not the problem in itself rather we shd focus on marrying in other races but of-course if you continue practicing cousin marriage (even second or third cousin marriages) over a longer period in Pakistani-german racial arrangement, serious problems will start to emerge. There is a lot of scientific data to prove that.

The point i am trying to make is that YES first cousins related via a single channel are obviously far less at risk than those whose ancestors have** interwoven DNA** for 300 years (the Amish) or 1,300 years (Islam entered Pakistan in 712 AD.) …

… now lets get to the point that you are making in relation to “non-cousin marriages giving birth to babies with health issues in inida/pakistan at a higher rate”…this is not a relevant point as this group also shares a serious interwoven DNA history in a flat genetical society via cousin marriages at some point in their lineage history…maybe not at the point of survey but definitely at some point in the history.

let me give you an example…say i ama rajput muslim and i marry to a rajput muslim girl whose family has no history of marrying my family for last 50 years but i can guarantee you that in last 1000 years these 2 rajput muslim familes had married to each other for many many generations because rajputs pride in their ancestral superiority plus they dont want the land to go out of the family…and hence partners from these rajput families carried a defect in any of the genes associated with some form of illness, which can then show up even 6 generations later…same is true abt jats and syeds…you see my point?and who allowed them?..Islam who allowed such marriages.

so what isthe solution…Societies like USA are racially diverse, but those who have relatively flat racial profiles genetically like pakistan/india prohibit at minimum the cousin marriage …Ethiopia appears the most prohibitive: it bans marriage between relatives out to 6th cousins. South Korea bans out to 3rd cousins; Taiwan and The Philippines ban first cousins, as does China, ever since it’s 1981 Marriage Act. South America is also very very strict about the cousin marriages.