But I agree with ReadMe, if this is what Turkey's people want, it is what they will get. This is yet another of Erdogan's ideas on how to make the next generation of Turkey more "pious", and he is going for educational institutions by the jugular. Already Erdogan's past ruling years has seen the number of madrassas double in number. Sounds familiar? RIP, Turkey.
I would suggest Erdogan is more Putin than Mullah Omar. Consensus seems to be that this guy is more interested in autocracy than theocracy, though elements of the latter may well feed into the former. The discourse of secularist-vs-Islamists seems to have run it's course in Turkey. It's something different now.
It's so strange, the reaction to the coup is so strikingly similar to the usual outcome of a revolution...purges and mass arrests. A few days ago, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But this net he cast is just way too wide.
By all means, purge the army of secularists if that is who is responsible for the coup. But why are thousands of teachers and professors being fired and detained? Are they US sponsored or CIA agents?
The other thing is, Erdogan blames it all on Gulen. Gulen is no secularist, he had fled Turkey when it was secular because his views werent welcome.
But I agree with ReadMe, if this is what Turkey's people want, it is what they will get. This is yet another of Erdogan's ideas on how to make the next generation of Turkey more "pious", and he is going for educational institutions by the jugular. Already Erdogan's past ruling years has seen the number of madrassas double in number. Sounds familiar? RIP, Turkey.
The weekend the Turkish have seen the repercussions were expected. As far as turkey is concerned it's a democracy and this is the government they have elected, all power to them. If in the next elections people can kick him out if they are not happy with him.
correction: it was a democracy until earlier today- now that erdogan pai has imposed 3 months of emergency rule, it is officially a dictatorship. we'll have to wait and see if there will be any reasonable opposition leftover in 3 months for it to be a viable democracy. but i do agree - the turkish people brought this upon themselves when they picked erdogan, we all get the rulers we deserve, and will reap exactly what they have sown here - a fertile flowerbed for ISIS and similar weeds to creep into.
Its my personal feeling that there is another coup coming. Especially with the escalating tensions and Turkey's decision to not fly any plane from US's airbases. It may not be a army coup but this time US may actually use Mr. Gulen and land him as the new secular leadership.
I don't think that US is that stupid to do a half ass job, but then it might be. Syria / iraq is one thing, but effing up a strategic NATO ally is something another. A yuuuge problem. The army would have to murder 2,000 or more people like they did in Egypt wrt Muslim Brotherhood when Sisi came to power; I don't think that even the opposition is with the military now unlike egypt, though the liberals in egypt are paying for Sisi's power grab as well.
Tens of thousands of people have joined a pro-democracy rally in Istanbul, condemning the nation’s attempted coup.
The rally was organised by the opposition party CHP but was backed by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s AK party, in a rare show of unity.
Amid a sea of red flags, banners bore slogans such as “We defend the republic!”
The CHP’s leader said “democracy won!” but he also warned against the dangers of authoritarianism.
One banner read: “No to the coup, no to dictatorship”…
If US haven’t backed coup in any possible why is she getting pissed off? So some generals are more dear to US than the on going venture against IS with Turky’s alliance. As I have said earlier that nothing is more important to US than getting the regime of their own choice in any given country. Erdogan accuses US general of ‘backing putschists’ - World - DAWN.COM
“You are taking the side of coup plotters instead of thanking this state for defeating the coup attempt,” Erdogan said in angry remarks at a military centre in Golbasi outside Ankara, where air strikes left dozens dead during the failed putsch on July 15.
Quoted by US media, US Central Command chief General Joseph Votel had said the coup bid and subsequent round-up of dozens of generals could affect American military cooperation with Turkey.
A gutted command structure does affect the army; ask russia (if they respond) on how they "fared" with similar purges when Operation Barbarosa started in 1941.
A gutted command structure does affect the army; ask russia (if they respond) on how they "fared" with similar purges when Operation Barbarosa started in 1941.
So there wont be any capable general left after the trials? Only those traitorous minded are the soul of Turkish army? Considering opposition is also with erdogan, Turky has all the rights to give US a shut up call as US pretend to be pro democracy but always channel through generals. If I remember exactly mulen used to visit kyani almost every other weekend.
I would suggest Erdogan is more Putin than Mullah Omar. Consensus seems to be that this guy is more interested in autocracy than theocracy, though elements of the latter may well feed into the former. The discourse of secularist-vs-Islamists seems to have run it's course in Turkey. It's something different now.
It's so strange, the reaction to the coup is so strikingly similar to the usual outcome of a revolution...purges and mass arrests. A few days ago, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But this net he cast is just way too wide.
Agreed , he again is following the traditions of the earlier caliphs who turned to religion only to justify their autocratic ambitions but at the same time had zero tolerance for true zealots ( see how ottoman turks dealt with wahabi revolts and incursions in iraq 200 yrs ago )
