Country comes before democracy: Musharraf

Dont you guys think that actually the way things are, this is right…

Country comes before democracy: Musharraf
Dawn Report

LAHORE, Nov 13: Facing an increasing pressure from world leaders to lift emergency, President Gen Pervez Musharraf has asked the West to choose between Pakistan and democracy.

“Is democracy more important than Pakistan?” he put the question to an American TV channel in an interview on Tuesday.

“When the nation is about to be declared a failed state, tell me whether the (restoration) of so-called democracy is important or efforts to save the country,” he asked and then himself replied: “Of course it is important to save the country.”

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Re: Country comes before democracy: Musharraf

No, its more like Mushrraf comes before the country.

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A democratic Pakistan is not a bad idea

by Pranay Sharma

Pakistan’s army ruler, General Pervez Musharraf is a self-confessed commando.

All through his professional life — be it in the army or in politics — he has relied on tactics and manoeuvres to get out of tight situations. He believes promises are to be made, but seldom to be kept. His announcement to hold elections in Pakistan in early January should, therefore, be taken with a pinch of salt.

Predictably, the announcement seems to have brought more relief to the Bush administration than to the people of Pakistan. The Bush administration has been under pressure from the US Congress and other sections in America, over the past months, on its relations with Musharraf. Many have started raising questions on how reliable an ally Musharraf was to the US in its war against “global terror.”

The Pakistan military’s inability to put up an effective fight against the Taliban and al-Qaeda operatives, along its border with Afghanistan, has led sceptics to wonder whether Musharraf was still the best bet for the US.

By all counts, Gen. Musharraf has been an expensive investment even for a country like the United States. US President George Bush has spent more than $10 billion — almost at the rate of $130 million a month, on Musharraf and his close aides in Rawalpindi since September 11, 2001. The money spent was to ensure that the Pakistani army ruler and his close band of generals stay committed to America’s war on terror.

Though in the initial days there was some success, for many months now the Pakistan army has been unable to prevent either the Taliban from regrouping or from launching attacks on NATO and Afghan forces from the border areas.

There have been a number of incidents in Waziristan, Swat and other tribal areas where the Pakistan security personnel have surrendered their arms before armed militants. This has been a cause for concern both within and outside Pakistan as one is not sure whether these incidents are an aberration or the future trend among the rank and file in the Pakistani army.

Some sections in the US have started looking at scenarios beyond Musharraf. But President Bush does not seem ready yet to throw away his most expensive asset in Pakistan. Musharraf knows this, and perhaps based on this assessment, made the decision to declare Emergency in Pakistan on November 3, 2007. But he is also aware that there is a growing clamour in different parts of the US and the western world to see early restoration of democracy in Pakistan. The announcement to hold elections in the country in January stems from his attempt to satisfy these sections.

For obvious reasons, it has also eased some pressure on the American President.

But is the world really serious in seeing Pakistan turn into a true democracy?

In the past few days some statements have emerged from the western capitals on the need for restoration of democracy in Pakistan. But rarely any serious attempt has been made to strengthen the democratic institutions within Pakistan. As Musharraf routinely changed his wardrobe, shedding his military uniform to get into civilian clothes and then back into being the army ruler, the world at large silently stood and watched.

After January, Musharraf might yet again don his civilian clothes, but would it bring about a fundamental change in Pakistan? The problem is not whether the ruler in Pakistan is in civilian or military clothes. It is also not about Musharraf remaining in power. It is about redefining the role of the Pakistan army.

The band of generals in Rawalpindi looms larger than life in Pakistan. They are the last word on every key decision in the country. They dismiss elected governments at will, sack Supreme Court judges, and gag the media when they refuse to play ball. They are the biggest stumbling block that prevents Pakistan from turning into a vibrant and democratic country.

The hypocrisy and double-standards of the US and the West always comes to the fore in their dealing with a country like Pakistan. Why does an American President who could be censured by the US Congress for his misdemeanour or have the Supreme Court strike down his decisions encourage a military ruler to defy such institutions in Pakistan?

Why does the US support Musharraf in his war against terror when the only place where he unleashes his might is on the Pakistani civil society?

Hundreds of lawyers, human rights and political activists, and media persons have been beaten up and put behind bars since the imposition of Emergency. Instead of forcing him to release all the arrested people, why does Washington allow him to continue his “clean up” drive for another two months?

The new judges in the Supreme Court might legitimise Musharraf’s election as Pakistan’s President. But would he then give up the Chief of Army’s post? Even if he does, would it fundamentally change the way Pakistan functions?

Some western observers have now started arguing that Musharraf has become the main cause for instability due to the pressure from his own countrymen. They have raised serious doubts whether he would be able to put up an effective fight against the fundamentalist forces under such pressure.

A ground is obviously being prepared to put Musharraf under notice. If he fails to bring the situation under control, the West might be willing to finally sacrifice him.

Even if that happens, very little would change in the country. Musharraf would be replaced by yet another senior general and the military establishment in Rawalpindi would continue to call the shots in the country.

Pakistan is at the cross-roads today. A clear picture has not yet emerged. The civil society had succeeded in forcing Musharraf and the army to step back when they got Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftiqar Ahmed Chaudhury reinstated. They have not clearly spelt out their response to Musharraf’s latest onslaught yet.

In the late 1960s Pakistan lost the opportunity to turn into a true democratic country when Zulfikar Ali Bhutto struck a deal with the army to become the Prime Minister of the country.

The people of Pakistan are faced with another opportunity to change the course of their country. There is a possibility that the civil society, political parties and the religious right might be able to forge a broad consensus. If they do, a countrywide movement could be launched to force Musharraf out of power.

It could even marginalise the role of the Pakistani army and allow the democratic institutions in the country to become strong and function effectively. But for that, the US and its allies would have to look beyond their short-term gains and support the civil society and not the Pakistani army. After all, a vibrant and democratic Pakistan is not such a bad idea.

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Kursi comes before democracy: Musharraf

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I think Mushrraf is becoming delusional by the day. 1st he said he never violated the constitution, now he is saying that he is not a dictator…while his actions speaks for themselves.

I am not dictator, want to restore democracy
Updated at 1435 PST
LONDON: A Britain’s News TV Channel on Wednesday quoted General Pervez Musharraf as saying that he is not a dictator and want to restore democracy.

President Pervez Musharraf had told it in an interview he had considered resigning.

**In an interview, Musharraf said he had considered his position but now felt he was the man to lead Pakistan into democracy.

Musharraf said he felt let down by the West and betrayed by the media and remarked, “I am not a dictator.”**

The military ruler declared a state of emergency on November 3 and has since detained thousands of opposition politicians, activists and lawyers.

His actions have been widely condemned by Western governments which are urging him to end military rule and move towards democracy with free and fair elections next January.

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  1. 14 out of 18 supreme court judges are under arrest today who refused to bow to his wishes and he is saying…I am not a dictator>>>

  2. He has physically attacked the highest court of Pakistan and put in place his own kangroo courts and he says…I am not a dictator>>>

  3. After 8 years of his one man rule (misrule rather) Pakistan is being labelled most dangerous nation in the world and yet he says…I am not a dictator>>>

  4. All kind of terrorist are being released and every liberal law abiding citizen who raises even slightest voice against him is arrested and yet he says…I am not a dictator>>>

  5. Pakistan is the only country in the world where in this media age it is illegal to watch any news channel except for state tv channel and yet he says…I am not a dictator>>>

I think Hitler and Stalin will be laughing their butt out in their graves after listening to this biggest joke of the century!!!

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I think the above should be changed to…

Busharraf comes before Pakistan: Musharraf

LAHORE, Nov 13: Facing an increasing pressure from world leaders to lift emergency, President Gen Pervez Musharraf has asked the West to choose between Pakistan and Busharraf.
“Is Pakistan more important then Busharraf?” he put the question to an American TV channel in an interview on Tuesday.

“When Busharraf is about to be declared (more accurately is declared) a failed president, tell me whether the efforts to save the country are important or securing Busharraf’s Presidency,” he asked then replied: “Ofcourse it is important to save Busharraf’s Presidency.”

Re: Country comes before democracy: Musharraf

Kursi comes before anything.

Re: Country comes before democracy: Musharraf

mush's motto:

Sub say pehle Musharraf

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Yeah Pakistan comes before democracy, it is so true, people are so jahil they don’t even know what democracy is, what voting is, they don’t even know what their rights are, they are “laaton ke bhoot”, they don’t deserve democracy, they deserve a “danda”…

and who says all this? Dictator or his boot lickers, only they know what Pakistan deserves/needs. They have very short term memory, they don’t know people have been kept in dark about democracy plainly because of military dictatorship decade after decade … and guess what Musharraf wants, another decade or two of military rule (8 years already achieved) after which people will miraculously learn democracy :k:

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SPOT ON SHRMA JEE.......i dont know who sharma jee is but his/her analysis is spot on...some key points of his/her article are below:

"The new judges in the Supreme Court might legitimise Musharraf's election as Pakistan's President. But would he then give up the Chief of Army's post? Even if he does, would it fundamentally change the way Pakistan functions?"

The answer to sharma's question is NO; nothing will change in Pak because:

"The band of generals in Rawalpindi looms larger than life in Pakistan. They are the last word on every key decision in the country. They dismiss elected governments at will, sack Supreme Court judges, and gag the media when they refuse to play ball. They are the biggest stumbling block that prevents Pakistan from turning into a vibrant and democratic country. Musharraf would be replaced by yet another senior general and the military establishment in Rawalpindi would continue to call the shots in the country"
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and what to say about the shameless West:

The hypocrisy and double-standards of the US and the West always comes to the fore in their dealing with a country like Pakistan. Why does an American President who could be censured by the US Congress for his misdemeanour or have the Supreme Court strike down his decisions encourage a military ruler to defy such institutions in Pakistan? Why does the US support Musharraf in his war against terror when the only place where he unleashes his might is on the Pakistani civil society?

and in the end:

"The people of Pakistan are faced with another opportunity to change the course of their country. There is a possibility that the civil society, political parties and the religious right might be able to forge a broad consensus. If they do, a countrywide movement could be launched to force Musharraf out of power. In the late 1960s Pakistan lost the opportunity to turn into a true democratic country when Zulfikar Ali Bhutto struck a deal with the army to become the Prime Minister of the country"

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West may or may not show hypocrisy, it is upto us how we perceive ourselves. If we see ourselves as dependent on someone for one reason or the other (stick or carrot) we will remain slaves, unless we don't think of ourselves as sovereign others will not let us be sovereign.

aera ghera nathoo khera from Lebanon comes and helps Nawaz Sharif get out of the country escaping from all the crimes/corruptions, US makes one phone call and we have an NRO issued so Benazir can land smoothly.

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and if there is no country (jis k leya her pakistani politician, mullah itni mehenat ker rahay hain), then?

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if democracy is more important than the country, why dont we ask for indian help to defeat musharraf and pak army? indians have imposed democracy in their own country. i am sure they will be glad to oblige us in pak as well.

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I am sure that is what Musharraf will do if he thinks democracy is more important than Pakistan.

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http://www.newmatilda.com/home/articledetailmagazine.asp?ArticleID=2586&HomepageID=231

Pakistan: Musharraf Meltdown
By: Mustafa Qadri
Thursday 15 November 2007

Pervez Musharraf
Perhaps inspired by his counterparts in Burma, President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan has proceeded to clamp down on political dissent like never before. What began as a knee jerk reaction to increasing disenchantment with his regime has spiraled towards ever more draconian measures that have completely erased any remaining claim Musharraf may have to being called a moderate.

Martial law has been imposed in all but name. All major political and civil opponents have been imprisoned or gagged for varying stretches. This includes the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief Asma Jehangir and Benazir Bhutto, a former democratically elected Prime Minister who until recently had been in discussions with Musharraf over a possible future power sharing arrangement. Another politician, former Pakistan cricket captain Imran Khan, who had been on the run from authorities since last week, was seized during a protest in Lahore.

On Sunday, 11 November, Pakistan’s Attorney General, Malik Mohammed Qayyum, announced that civilians may even be tried before military courts on a range of charges from treason to inciting public unrest. All private television stations — domestic and foreign — have been banned while the Musharraf-controlled public broadcaster PBC remains on air.

Pakistan ’s Supreme Court, which had been considering whether Musharraf could lawfully stand for re-election as President while remaining Chief of the Army, has been suspended indefinitely. Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, the deposed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (whom I wrote about earlier) even had his mobile phone cut while he addressed a rally in the nation’s capital. If ever a student of history needed an example of a despot’s desperation, then this is it.

Musharraf is perhaps one of history’s more innocuous dictators. As an individual, he is no General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq — the semi-literate colonel-cum-general who, in 1977, deposed and eventually executed the incumbent Prime Minister (Benazir Bhutto’s father Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto). Zia fostered Pakistan’s then fledgling jihadi militants with the support of the United States and Saudi Arabia. In contrast, Musharraf is a deeply secular man. Schooled in the British military tradition, he is known to enjoy the odd shot of malt whisky.

Lust for power is an essential ingredient in dictatorship. Pretty soon a dictator begins to believe that society cannot adequately function without his overbearing presence at the top of the political hill. Such a rationalisation trumps all other rational considerations, to the extent that dictators often act against their own self interest.

Musharraf is no different. In his address to the nation after midnight 3 November announcing a ‘State of Emergency,’ Musharraf justified his actions on the basis that an increase in his powers and a clampdown on dissent was a matter of Pakistan’s survival. ‘I have gone beyond my personal benefit in making this decision,’ he explained.

Ironically, in initiating these draconian political conditions, Musharraf has effectively increased the prospect of his ignominious removal.

The General has only been able to survive as long as he has because of the abject quality of the opposition in Pakistan, and because of the political and economic patronage of the United States.

Previous regimes in Pakistan, ostensibly democratic or otherwise, have been so incompetent and blindly corrupt that even the most elemental aspects of State management, such as stabilising the economy or tackling the country’s high levels of poverty and class divisions, have seemed like impossible acts of genius. There has long been an expectation in Pakistan that an incumbent will siphon off the country’s wealth into his or her bank accounts, acquire companies, property and land, and eventually retire to an estate in the United Kingdom, France or the Gulf.

Once Musharraf pledged his support for the USA’s so-called War on Terror his regime experienced an unprecedented upsurge in American patronage making Pakistan the third largest recipient of American military aid after Israel and Egypt.

In this climate, the fact that Musharraf was able to improve the country’s economic situation and curry international support was seen for some time as a powerful case for his continued presence. But even at the height of his popularity he was expected to eventually subside.

Most observers outside Pakistan (and Musharraf himself) underestimated the extent of popular support for a return to democracy — which began to surface following Musharraf’s attempt to remove the Supreme Court’s Chief Justice Chaudhry in March this year. When that was met by the largest protests in decades, key Musharraf allies such as the USA and the UK were forced to condemn his actions and the Chief Justice was eventually reinstated.

Critically, on that occasion as now, these key allies reiterated their support for Musharraf with little or no apparent appreciation for the lack of support he had within the country. In response to the present situation, President George W Bush sang the familiar refrain: ‘President Musharraf has been a strong fighter against extremists and radicals’ with whom the United States must ‘continue to work.’

In the West, Pakistan, like so many other non-Western States, is seen through the familiar prism of ‘international security’. The simple premise is that Pakistan is volatile and Musharraf is a secular, educated man who keeps the extremists away from the country’s nuclear arsenal. Pakistan may or may not deserve democracy, so the reasoning goes, but whatever else is true, the US-led ‘international community’ needs a strong man to rein in the extremists. This understanding of the situation is deeply flawed.

When Musharraf announced the present ‘State of Emergency’ he cited the upsurge in militancy throughout the country. Hitherto, this militancy had been largely restricted to the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, where an upsurge of violence has seen many police and soldiers killed or kidnapped and a program of ‘Talibanisation’ has commenced in earnest.

In recent months there has been an increase in militant attacks in more urbanised parts of Pakistan such as Karachi and in rural areas like Swat — an area in the lower Himalayas famed among honeymooners for its natural beauty — and Sargodha in the Punjab. Until the recent unrest neither Swat nor Sargodha had a history of militant violence.

These attacks may confirm the importance of supporting Musharraf in the minds of Western leaders. But, ironically, the clampdown on popular, secular political movements has actually facilitated the cause of the militants. By cracking down on peaceful forms of protest, the media, and the judiciary, Musharraf has created a space in which the only type of anti-government expression available is the violence that militant groups are especially adept at.

At the same time, while the Musharraf regime has obtained literally billions in aid from the US over the past six years (and much smaller, but still sizeable amounts from the UK and the EU), the present civil and militant unrest demonstrates how poorly it has been invested.

When Musharraf last visited Australia a colleague of mine in the Australian Government preparing briefing for the Australian Prime Minister remarked that Howard would literally glaze over in admiration for Musharraf. To Howard, my friend explained, Musharraf was a gallant old warrior holding the fort against the terrorist menace rising from the tribal hills.

This, and Musharraf’s relative eloquence and capacity to talk the ‘war on terrorism’ talk, has meant that his regime has been accepted relatively uncritically by Western governments.

Whether or not the present situation will change this sentiment is unclear. What is clear is that these same governments must now condemn Musharraf for what he is: a dictator with whom we have no business doing business.

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This is the group of countries that Pakistan is in now. Just in case anybody still has any false sense of security. This is a list of countries with a similar authoritarian political setup.

Burma. Nigeria. Zimbabwe. North Korea. Sudan. Eritrea. Fiji. Laos. Libya. Angola. Cuba. Somalia.

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You're leaving out some in the ME along with some in Central Asia, but yea ur right.