Could this be the exit strategy??

[EyEsOnSkY]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

Pakistan have no way out without this two conditions.

1. FUlly obey USA orders and be always just a YES SIR servent.

2. Protect its interests in the region for its dignity and proud as a free independent state without american interference in domestic or international affairs.

Current tenseable situation for sure becoz of Army and ISI are chosing 2nd one and still trying to maintain the balance in the region for national interests which mostly dislike by USA and no doubt we pushed hardly by USA to accept first one. In few cards we have in our hands the Nato supply line visa pakistani land is important one but how long we could play on it!!
USA have bases in Afghanistan and other closed gulf states and actually they not need another one in Pakistan being close ally with India and bases around here a permenant threat for China and Iran. If they chosed us ally then why not they respect our national interests too?

[KatDaddy]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

^^ There is 3rd option to it..

US out of picture and the regional powers, i..e Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan take control of thing and jointly sort out the mess, US is not in the region nor does it borders with Afghanistan... even Russia would like to have no role in Afghanistan.. so it is immediate neighbors of Afghanistan who should be there and not some one for land far far away...

US's target in Afghanistan was not Taliban govt, Taliban were there way before US came and i would say, with the full support of US as well... so taliban was not problem back then, taliban won't be problem in future as well because Mulla Omer have already stated that they'll make sure no body uses their land for terrorism..

So here is the scenario, US leaves Afghanistan, with its liking or not, things will get back to normal, after all , Afghanistan never had friendly relation with Pakistan, it was until Russians invaded and Afghanies were left no where to go but Iran and Pakistan...

Pakistan had the third option, immedieately after Soviet left and we all know how that went. Pakistan has not demostrated the maturity to constructively help a country to it's feet. If anything it should be competing with India in Afghanistan to build roads, govenrment buildings and developing mines etc. The world (mainly west) has every reason to think, pakistan will compromise Afghanistan's interest by treating it as a play ground or sell it to China who may exploit its resources.

As to your point about Taliban not being the US target, you may be way off target there. Taliban is the reason for Al Queda's growth and survival after Sudan threw OBL out and even in the initial days after 9/11 Taliban were given a chance to give up OBL, they refused and even today they may be working together. Although Al Queda may be a spent force in Af-Pak, Taliban is still a menance. Afghanisthan under Taliban would become a safe haven even more so now.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to believe anything Taliban ledership says. The situation is such, they are on the run. But for Pakistan's protection, they could have been eliminated by now. So, it is time for them to show they can work with the world constructively; not mere verbal assurances.

Iran is a wrong choice. In fact, it will create more problems for Pakistan than it has now, if the recent bombing of shrines in Afghanisthan is of any indication. Russia is not interested in any of it's neighbors, they politicians having too much fun.

Therefore only option is for Pakistan to work with rest of the world in making Afghanistan to a moderate state (democracy or not). The longer this conflict drags, the moderate state of Pakistan (I still think it is) will become a theocratic (or even a radical) state. Pakistan, Iran and Turkey are the countries blessed with people who have roots in ancient civilizations that is known for free thinking. They are the best bet to carry the torch of Islam to the future.

[CM]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

Yeah a third world country should demonstrate the maturity even NATO has not done so.

ISAF in Afghanistan has bank rolled, drug lords, war criminals, war lords, various pro taliban elements to ensure they stay safe. That sure is maturity.

[EyEsOnSkY]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

@KatDaddy

Pakistan had the third option, immedieately after Soviet left and we all know how that went. Pakistan has not demostrated the maturity to constructively help a country to it's feet. If anything it should be competing with India in Afghanistan to build roads, govenrment buildings and developing mines etc. The world (mainly west) has every reason to think, pakistan will compromise Afghanistan's interest by treating it as a play ground or sell it to China who may exploit its resources.

As to your point about Taliban not being the US target, you may be way off target there. Taliban is the reason for Al Queda's growth and survival after Sudan threw OBL out and even in the initial days after 9/11 Taliban were given a chance to give up OBL, they refused and even today they may be working together. Although Al Queda may be a spent force in Af-Pak, Taliban is still a menance. Afghanisthan under Taliban would become a safe haven even more so now.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to believe anything Taliban ledership says. The situation is such, they are on the run. But for Pakistan's protection, they could have been eliminated by now. So, it is time for them to show they can work with the world constructively; not mere verbal assurances.

Iran is a wrong choice. In fact, it will create more problems for Pakistan than it has now, if the recent bombing of shrines in Afghanisthan is of any indication. Russia is not interested in any of it's neighbors, they politicians having too much fun.

Therefore only option is for Pakistan to work with rest of the world in making Afghanistan to a moderate state (democracy or not). The longer this conflict drags, the moderate state of Pakistan (I still think it is) will become a theocratic (or even a radical) state. Pakistan, Iran and Turkey are the countries blessed with people who have roots in ancient civilizations that is known for free thinking. They are the best bet to carry the torch of Islam to the future.

In all this bla bla bla u forgot to mentioned uncle sam`s dick chenney etc parts of play funny..

[Captain1]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

@KatDaddy

Pakistan had the third option, immedieately after Soviet left and we all know how that went. Pakistan has not demostrated the maturity to constructively help a country to it's feet. If anything it should be competing with India in Afghanistan to build roads, govenrment buildings and developing mines etc. The world (mainly west) has every reason to think, pakistan will compromise Afghanistan's interest by treating it as a play ground or sell it to China who may exploit its resources.

When the war-lords are fighting each other, do you think you can go out there and build roads? When Taliban took the reigns of the country, how many countries recognized the government? How many 'mature' countries came out to help the newly established government?

When the going gets tough, tough get going and weak pack their dhotis.

[yamahaguy]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

I thought the exit strategy was killing of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan....all intellectuals in Pakistan said America is loosing, so they needed an exit strategy...a graceful exit from Af-Pak...God knows how many new exit strategies are there???

[KatDaddy]

Re: Could this be the exit strategy??

@Captain1

When the war-lords are fighting each other, do you think you can go out there and build roads? When Taliban took the reigns of the country, how many countries recognized the government? How many 'mature' countries came out to help the newly established government?

When the going gets tough, tough get going and weak pack their dhotis.

Yeah......no one recognized Taliban government.....that's my point....no one liked the approach of Pakistan..using religion as a tool (at least overtly) ...and Pakistan has not learnt from its past mistakes.....it's still bent upon wanting to eat cake and have it.

If Pakistan Army had moved in directly, brought peace and conducted elections that would have been an more acceptable approach. But then Pakistan was under Army role, where is the question of election? Also, that would be lot of hard work...and Pak Army always looks for short cuts...still living in 10th century mode.