Corrupt Molvis..

Assalam-o-alikum..

Its been said by many of ppl here and in real world that Molvis are Corrupt..

Well i just found something related to this in Quran..

Surah Al-A’raf

See Allah has bestowed us ( The Muslims) with Quran and verses, full of knowledge, wisdom and more..

The molvis.. are exactly the ppl who claim that they have the knowledge of Quran . but like allah said..

Driving away from Quran and the true teachings is surely what makes them equal to Dogs..

May Allah bless us with the True Knowledge of Quran.. and guide us to follow the Quran..
ameeen..


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Define the term Molvi and define the term corrupt. Not all scholars are corrupt.

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Originally posted by mushi:
Define the term Molvi and define the term corrupt. Not all scholars are corrupt.
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Define define define...that seems to be the only defence among extremists today. Why don't you also ask Flamezz to define the terms Islam, Quran, Allah, Muslims as well?

Allah nay hum sub aik damagh or tohori si akal di hai. Kabi to istamal kar lo meray bhai!

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Back in the 1930s, Maulana Maududi was very critical of some very hard-line ulema, who he wrote were driving Muslims away from Islam. He was particularly critical of those who maintained that the Gates of Ijtihad were closed, and therefore made it near-impossible to equate modernisation with Islam.

As an example, he mentioned Turkey. He blamed the rise of secularism in Turkey not on the West, but rather the ulema of the Ottoman Empire, who vehemently opposed any kind of significant change in the way things were done.

As an example, when the Khalif tried to modernise education to make the study of mathematics, science and engineering compulsory, to enable the Khilafat to compete against the Western powers, it was the Ulema who opposed him.

When he tried to reorganise the army along the more efficient western model, for example by introducing uniforms, the ulema opposed him for "making the army look like kafirs". When he tried to introduce bayonets, the ulema opposed him for "trying to make the army use weapons distinctive of kafirs".

Maududi pointed out that many of the ulema, who had great in depth knowledge of Islam, began to repress any sign of change in the Islamic State. Many people increasingly felt that Islam was a force that repressed people and held people back, and so drifted away.

Maududi felt that increasingly, the ulema are driving Muslims away from Islam, by making them think that Islam = living in the past. He felt that the religious education available had to be reformed to produce ulema who understood the people better and who could guide them along the Islamic path - rather than many of the ulema of today (particularly in the sub-continent) who cannot empathise with the people, gain their trust, and guide them.

Especailly Badhawhi,Sheihk Yusuf etc
al these fake govt scholars......more like scholars 4 hire! as long as they get dollars they will say anything

Yea man tell me about it… on one side its the smely grave worshipping peers and on the other its bomb throwing fanatic mullahs with beer bellies… they both so cheap pesay ke liyay kya kuch kartay hein…

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our religion has got such a bad reputation cuz of idiots like these…

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why can’t they just teach and practise Islam according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him)…

most of them are such hypocrites… khud wohi gunnah kartay hein and when sum1 else does it un par fatt kuffar ka fatwah laga detey hein…

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i’m not saying all of them are like that but most i’ve met certainly r…


LA ILAHA ILALLAH

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Originally posted by mushi:
Define the term Molvi and define the term corrupt. Not all scholars are corrupt.
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Molvis arent scholars


"Only for Allah and to gain His pleasure"
"You are either slave to what made man or u are slave to what man made"

Mad_Scientist,

I am really curious to know where did Maududi said all the above you mentioned & what solution did he propose.

Any names of the books and where can I get a hold of them would be greatly appreciated.

Also, what was his contributions in getting the Muslims of India in particular out of the misery. Did you opened a school like Sir Syed Ahmad or did he fought for their due civil rights like many other Muslim leaders of the time.

I confess that I only know him from a few articles & his commentary of the Qura'an - which BTW I disagree with at many places.

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**Mad_Scientist,

I am really curious to know where did Maududi said all the above you mentioned & what solution did he propose.

Any names of the books and where can I get a hold of them would be greatly appreciated.

Also, what was his contributions in getting the Muslims of India in particular out of the misery. Did you opened a school like Sir Syed Ahmad or did he fought for their due civil rights like many other Muslim leaders of the time.

I confess that I only know him from a few articles & his commentary of the Qura'an - which BTW I disagree with at many places. **
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I got these views of his from a book entitled "West vs Islam", a collection of articles written by Maududi in the 1930s for the monthly journal Tarjuman-ul-Quran. The particular copy I have is bu Islamic Publications (PVT) Ltd of Lahore.

The particular ideas about ulema driving people away from Islam through not being able to empathise with them is a theme occuring in several places in the book, particularly in Chapter 7, entitled "Conflict of East and West in Turkey".

Maududi's solution to mobilise India's muslims to try and get our of their predicament was to try and educate them, both through speeches and through writings. In particular, he attempted to appeal to the educated Muslims (mainly western-style educated Muslims), who he identified as being the community's leaders.

To back this up, he founded the Jamaat-i-Islaam, to mobilise Muslims to better themselves.

Lastly, I too will say that I am not necessarily in agreement with all his views. In particular, his passionate criticism of birth control seems weak in the light of rulings issued by many other scholars. However, in identifying the political and social problems facing Muslims, and proposing remedies, I have yet to find a scholar who can match him.

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we talk abt molvis or muslim scholarzz bein corrupt.. we say they tell us half true stuff and half wrong.. well we can get our answrs from Quran and Sunnah if we realy care.. but wht we do is go to west and ask them for answer to our problems.. we let kufars rule us instead of Allah.. tell me is democracy .. khalefah and sheria.. no it ain.. in democracy we are slave to system that a man made not wht Allah made.. cuz
"u r either slave to wht made man or wht man made"..
so all we need to do is leave all these kufar system.. stop trusting kufars.. and stop asking them to help us.. we should estblish our own state "Khelafah" and run it with Islamic laws and be Slave to Allah.. "cuz only a creator could be rulin us"
When Islam is a complete system not just a religion.. so why don we jus follow Islam for every thing..

“And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption.” [TMQ Al-Anfal:73]

“O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah and His messenger to that which would give you life.” [TMQ Al-Anfal:24]

just think who gave kafirs right to make laws of their minds..


"Only for Allah and to gain His pleasure"
"You are either slave to what made man or u are slave to what man made"

>>>To back this up, he founded the Jamaat-i-Islaam, to mobilise Muslims to better themselves

Jamaat-i-Islami was founded in 1941 (please correct me if I am wrong) after the resolution of Pakistan. Before 47 he was against Jinnah and his associates and considered their fight for a separate homeland unislamic and wasn't too found of Sir Syed & co. for their efforts in enlisting Muslims to learn secular thoughts.

I am particularly interested in his views as they are the foundations of many Islamic parties in Pakistan (or so I am told & they claim) and I disagree with their ideologies.

Thank you for the mentioning of the book, I will try to look for it on the web. If I couldn't find it I will send you a PM. :)

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**>>>To back this up, he founded the Jamaat-i-Islaam, to mobilise Muslims to better themselves

Jamaat-i-Islami was founded in 1941 (please correct me if I am wrong) after the resolution of Pakistan. Before 47 he was against Jinnah and his associates and considered their fight for a separate homeland unislamic and wasn't too found of Sir Syed & co. for their efforts in enlisting Muslims to learn secular thoughts.**
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Yes, the JI was founded in 41, after the resolution of Pakistan. However, Maududi did not consider the Pakistan movement to be unislamic; rather he felt it to Islamically valid, but not so valid as having a confederation of Indian states, or a confederation of a muslim state and a hindu state.

A good comparison would be with prayers. It is best to do nafl & sunnut & farz prayers, if that is not possible then just sunnut & farz, and if not that, then farz. Similarly, Maududi felt that a confederation of many Indian states was best; if not that then a confederation of a muslim state and a hindu state; and only if that was not possible, then a separate muslim and hindu state. However, he also felt that is 2 separate states emerged, they should have military & economic ties.

(This commentary on Maududi's view regarding India's future apparently having been written by the secretary to the Quaid-e-Azam, Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada , in his book Evolution of Pakistan in 1963).

Maududi was a politician pretending to be a Malvi. Please don't take his books as authoritative on Islam.

Assalam-o-alikum..

Few definitions:

Molvi : A guy with knowledge of Quran, who has read some Quranic Tafseer, and few collections of Hadith, who can also explain the problems

Mulla : A guy who just knows the REcitiation of Al-Quran , who does Imamat in the Mosque

Maulana = A person with quite good knowledge of Quran, Fiqah, Hadith, Seerat-e-Nabwi, and Life Problems and solutions..

Now i am discussing with the Pakistani Perspective..

Molvi who are controlling the mosques individually, are corrupt in a sense that, they do not tell what are the real teachins. They spread hatered, disbeleif, give wrong fatwas, and trap the common persons who are fool enough, with very weak eiman to fall in their trap. These Molvis also use the ppl for money, and kharcha pani, in terms of zakath, chanda for madrassa etc.. These movlis do not unite,or sit with other, and have their clashes with each other. Im not saying that all molvis are corrupt, but majority is.. and this corruption is at grass root level.. Because there is no check n balance, they are doin whatever they want to do, in name of ISLAM. fooling the ppl.. and we know that sometimes the character of these molvis is also doubtful.

Mulla = these ppl are mostly in Madrassas for teaching the recitation of Al-Quran. teaches young children and helping in Hifz-e-Quran. These ppl are like parrots who do not fully understand what ISLAM is. not all Mulla aare corrupt... and they are not Dangerous as Molvis are...

Maulana : These ppl are controlling the minds and hearts of majority of ppl. they have good speaking skills, and knowledge of Quran and Hadith, and mostly they use it to convince and fool MAJORITY. THey have big organizations, with lots of ppl serving for ISLAM. huge amount of chanda is collected, from abroad in millions. they have pejaros, cars, luxury items on their disposal. They are the ppl who are responsible for major secretarian voilenc in Pakistan alongwith Molvis.

The point is The ISLAM is agaisnt Capitialization, and these ppl never say anything abt it. They just want that ppl should keep on serving them, by giving them chanda and charity, and they keep on living in luxury.

few are there, who are sincere to the Teaching of Islam, but their number are very limited, and indeed not many ppl listen to them, because the TEachings of Islam has been so much polluted by the corrupt ppl that A Muslim faces a hard time in judging who is right and who is wrong.

May Allah guide us on the right path, with direction and teachings. And we should Also consult Quran and hadith for our knowledge. because these are the only 2 sources of Knowledge abt ISLAM.

that all ppl..


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Islamic State - such a vast subject that a whole section maybe dedicated to it. I read some of his views quoted in different articles about the Islamic state (I need to buy his book on Islamic State) and couldn't agree with the notion of Islamic state being the only solution.

Anyway, in the same article it was also claimed that Quaid-e-Azam asked him to write the constitution of Pakistan - which I didn't quiet believe in. Is it true?

More so I believe it was some of the other Leaguers like Liaqat Ali khan who sought help from the Islamic parties (the vocal minority) as they didn't quiet get along with the others Muslim political parties at the time.

Let me do some more research and maybe I can start a new thread directed towards Maududi.

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Originally posted by Faraz Mir:
Maududi was a politician pretending to be a Malvi. Please don't take his books as authoritative on Islam.
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Dear Faraz : but the molvis of today cannot reach the level of knowledge and wisom he had, in Quran and Hadith.

His Tafseer-e-Quran is one of the best in urdu. simple and clear without any bragging..

and may i know, your source of Information??

which molvi u have been consulting lately ?


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TO me it appeared that when people refer to mullahs or molvi they mean basically everyone who is a religious figure or has beard. But the fact is mullah or mowlanas are not necessarily ulema, rather they are just preachers or are gurdians , imams of mosques. They have more knowledge of Islam than an average person would. Most of the times they are people who traditionally tried to solve disputes between people and tried to keep themselves educated about Islam for the sake of the local largely uneducated community they lived in. People trust them, because of their character and their demeanor. Many times in course of history it was these mullahs and molvis who resuced estranged people and tried to console them and give them a sense of security. People have put up with benevolent, kind, sincere molvis who tried their best to bring islam to people as well as with careerist, wicked and idiot molvis who have tried to fool people for their own purposes or act as puppets to local landowners to control the beleif system of a certain people.
Generally speaking however, mosr molvis are no different form common man. In general, they have good characters, men of integrity and try their best to have knowledge of Islam in community of unlearned folks.

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and may i know, your source of Information??
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His struggle was mainly political & this is not what a religious man should strive for. And similar is the case with all the Islamic political parties in Pakistan today.

They believe that Islam spread because of the Muslim conquests & the Islamic state transformed the hearts of the non-Muslim masses & they converted to Islam. So they want to be in charge and dictate their form of Islam.

I disagree.

Islam in the beginning spread because of the beautiful teachings & the sacrafices/paryers/actions of the first believers. Later it spread through the pious saints & Sufis.

AnHazoor (saw) transformed the masses with his teachings and examples to be good Muslims and then they voluntarily accepted him as a leader and made every sacrafice humanly possible for the teachings of Islam and the Holy Prophet - and so was formed an Islamic State.

The Malvis of today want to go the other way. They want to be the leader so they can impose their rule & somehow create an Islamic state & by the might of the law they want to transform the communities into Islamic ones. Even if they succeed in becoming the leaders, the societies wouldn't be anything more than a repressive regime, as faith comes from heart with belief, not suppression by the government.

So the Malvis should struggle and transform the society into an Islamic one first, and people will gladly make them their leaders.

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So the Malvis should struggle and transform the society into an Islamic one first, and people will gladly make them their leaders.

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I wonder when this will start hapenning.. and they will unite..


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To all of you who are criticizing Abu a'la Mawdudi!
For me its just like when some kids from primary school tries to compete in knowlege with a university profesor. Non of you have any comparytative knowlegde about Islam compared to Mawdudi. He was a great scholar of Islam while some of you dont even have a religious insight or even the slightest idea of what Islam is.
Regarding the issue about moulvi´s and ulema none of you have mentioned any name or incident to back up your views, you are just postulating whitout any proof.
I would thou agree with you to some extent that uneducated people claiming to be representing the true Islam is a problem in Pakistan and worldwide as well.
For me personly I belive in everyone who can proof to me that what they are saying is in full complayense whit the teachings of Quraan and Ahatith Sahih even if it sounds stupid from a secular and western view of point.
The main problem is the lack of knowledge in Islam as a hole, thats not the foult of the moulvi´s but the parents of the children who motivates them to become doctors, laywers, engeneers e.t.c. but never a ulema.
To be honest to your self how many people do you know that asks their children to become ulema instead of the above mentioned proffesions?
That is one of the main problems as i see it.

We only have the moulvies and ulemas that we have created ourself, and they will never be more than we deserve.