This women will be exceuted, because she practised witchcraft and made a man impotent in saudia. Unbelievable. Dont they know there is no such thing as witchcraft?
If there is, this woman should make the whole court impotent before her execution.
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^ are you denying witchcraft?
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I have trouble believing that it an make a fertile man impotent. Of course, anything is possible. But what was the proof she did magic and that her magic actually caused him to be impotent? How do we know he didn't get it some other way? Until that can be proven, does the state have a right to just go about executing people?
No one would argue that black magic is wrong and should not be dabbled in, but where in the religion does it say the state has a right to execute you for it? And if so, where do people like Harry Potter readers stand? I wonder if the series is even available in Saudi.
From what I was taught there are 3 executable crimes in Islam, and there is intense evidence needed to prove that the crimes were done: Murder, Treason, and Adultery (not fornication).
Read below and please let me know what proof is there in Islam that these practices are part of Islam?:
religious police who detained her and are alleged to have mistreated her.
her conviction was on the basis of the written statements of witnesses who said that she had bewitched them.
The confession which the defendant was forced to fingerprint was not even read out to her
Also Ms Falih and her representatives were not allowed to attend most of the hearings.
When an appeal court decided she should not be executed, the law courts imposed the death sentence again, arguing that it would be in the public interest.
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^ are you denying witchcraft?
Are you saying the state has a right to execute a witch ?
Are you saying that the proof to sentence her for execution can be simply testimonies by people claiming that she bewitched them? I can claim YOU bewitched me, and I can have you hanged/stoned for it. And that's the only proof that's needed?
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Are blackmagic and witchcraft the same?
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There is black magic and white magic. Well traditionally, those are the divisions. Other magic schools of thought divide things up differently. So, black magic is a type of witchcraft.
Islam asks you to stay away from all kinds of witchcraft even white magic, but it doesn't deny that they exist or that they even truly work. Reason to stay away from even white magic is that you don't know if you'll be tempted to convert over to black magic and you don't want to play with fate or destiny, even with good intentions, because you don't know what kinds of disturbances you can cause.
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SO i guess witchcraft does effect people..if its similar to blackmagic. Blackmagic was done on Holy Prophet (saw)..thats why Allah forbids us. But someone cannot be just convicted for it, its weird.
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Are you saying the state has a right to execute a witch ?
My question was for his statement:
"Dont they know there is no such thing as witchcraft?"
As far as your question is concerned, should state coerce people into masajid? I'm sure you'd say no, so thats the kind of laws/shariat they implement. So if they want to execute someone for blackmajic (something haraam) then it doesn't seem far fetched.
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From what I was taught there are 3 executable crimes in Islam, and there is intense evidence needed to prove that the crimes were done: Murder, Treason, and Adultery (not fornication).
I have no intention to defend the verdict doled out by this court, but did they say they are doing it because sharia said so?
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I have no intention to defend the verdict doled out by this court, but did they say they are doing it because sharia said so?
Since they are not doing it because Sharia said then on what basis was the woman convicted. Was she convicted on the whims and fancies of a few fancied individuals.
Also how was the evidence gathered. Being impotent is a tricky situation. You need to blame somebody for that. I am surprised that a learned judge agreed that a person became impotent after the woman performed the blackmagic.
Maybe the judge had first hand information about the man being potent befor the black magic was performed.
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Are blackmagic and witchcraft the same?
yes, and both dont exist. Just wise up and use your "education". How is witchcraft or black magic possible?
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Interesting...
You know I feel a little backwards admitting this but there is black magic and I think it should be punished.
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Interesting...
You know I feel a little backwards admitting this but there is black magic and I think it should be punished.
Should it be punished by death?
Should it be punished based on testimonies only? Because then you raise the risk of unethical witchhunts and death penalties based on possibly DELIBERATELY falsified information?
No muslim would disagree over some intervention being established for these sort of cases, but under the circumstances, is this case ethical?
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I have no intention to defend the verdict doled out by this court, but did they say they are doing it because sharia said so?
The Saudi government claims to implement an Islamic shariat system, and therefore any decisions made contrary to the Shariat is suspect and should certainly be condemned by muslims around the world, as whatever press the Saudi government gets has effects on the worldwide perception of muslims. I'm looking at the big picture here. These things get dangerous for the rest of us.
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Its common sense folks. How can you prosecute someone of doing something which is not do-able.
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Its common sense folks. How can you prosecute someone of doing something which is not do-able.
Robert, they believe it *is *possible. And why are you talking about common sense in a Religion forum?
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We need that witch in India......to control our exploding population !
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Since they are not doing it because Sharia said then on what basis was the woman convicted. Was she convicted on the whims and fancies of a few fancied individuals.
May be just like executing drug smugglers? Does sharia demand execution of drug smugglers?
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Also how was the evidence gathered. Being impotent is a tricky situation. You need to blame somebody for that. I am surprised that a learned judge agreed that a person became impotent after the woman performed the blackmagic.
Maybe the judge had first hand information about the man being potent befor the black magic was performed.
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That is something open for criticism and I agree there, every system has some flaws in it, I don't think they are anywhere close to perfection.
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Its common sense folks. How can you prosecute someone of doing something which is not do-able.
What did Hazrat Moosa AH's example tell you in Quran? What about surah Falaq/Naas?