easy.
Why choose to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation?
share your thoughts on this, if you like.
best,
Dushwari
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easy.
Why choose to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation?
share your thoughts on this, if you like. best,
Dushwari
your question has an answer in it, perception of an unknown is the mother of all the fears, and assumptions of a negative outcome is one of the ugly offsprings of fear. Not always but most of the time.............
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Thanks Intelliphant ...but WHY?
WHy fear instead of hope??
easy.
Why choose to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation?
share your thoughts on this, if you like. best,
Dushwari
Negative mindset is a habit! I believe from observations and own exerience, that it is an educational trait (at first), usually instilled early in childhood, mostly by parents, but partly by teachers too.
Thus depending on your family background, and very much on your cultural upbringing (gender/social class/religion/ethny/country where u grow up) you are more are less prone to negative thinking.
I have witnessed that my fellow french people are far more prone to it than americans for example (cause in USA teachers are more appreciating of efforts & improvments than punishing any little failure).
And I have come to the conclusion that it's usually triggered by a threat&guilt based education. Guilt and threats repeated by parents/teachers into childs blank minds surges fear and doubt about future outcomes.
Limited brains, negative thinking, risk averse people and shyness are all kinds of manifestation of lack of self confidence resulting from restrictive upbringing/childhood environement (females are far more restricted by parents/society, thus explaining that they suffer this problem more often).
How can you believe in the future if you don't believe in YOU?
How can you expect the world to bring what you don't believe you can bring to yourself?
Whereas I answer "I can't" to these question, I've learnt (though painfully and slowly) to believe in me and expect from myself. Since I've become able to do that, my mindset ceased to be negative!
I have started to feel hope just like other self confident people.
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well ppl choose the negative outcome as it mite hurt less if it actually happens and if in the same case somin positive happens they feel much more happier as they were not expecting it,( i hope it makes sense , too many runons )
n e ways but i have a totally opposite mindset, i am a firm believer of MURPHY`S LAW so i am positive most of the time and i know it hurts more but ohh well. :k:
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excellent parissenoor. absolutely right.
very good and pithy reply.
best,
Dushwari
Negative mindset is a habit! I believe from observations and own exerience, that it is an educational trait (at first), usually instilled early in childhood, mostly by parents, but partly by teachers too. Thus depending on your family background, and very much on your cultural upbringing (gender/social class/religion/ethny/country where u grow up) you are more are less prone to negative thinking. I have witnessed that my fellow french people are far more prone to it than americans for example (cause in USA teachers are more appreciating of efforts & improvments than punishing any little failure). And I have come to the conclusion that it's usually triggered by a threat&guilt based education. Guilt and threats repeated by parents/teachers into childs blank minds surges fear and doubt about future outcomes. Limited brains, negative thinking, risk averse people and shyness are all kinds of manifestation of lack of self confidence resulting from restrictive upbringing/childhood environement (females are far more restricted by parents/society, thus explaining that they suffer this problem more often).
How can you believe in the future if you don't believe in YOU? How can you expect the world to bring what you don't believe you can bring to yourself? Whereas I answer "I can't" to these question, I've learnt (though painfully and slowly) to believe in me and expect from myself. Since I've become able to do that, my mindset ceased to be negative! I have started to feel hope just like other self confident people.
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kaun, you make sense in the murphy's law.
okam's razor is also one that is not always understood by people.
but besides this western logic, without being biased by these, there is something even more powerful - the instinct, the intuitive.
whne one knows that the person is causing harm, why does that person not stop the harming?
when a person knows that s/he is unjust, why do they not stop?
is it fear, it is being lazy or being ignorant, or being delibrately mean and ineffective?
what makes some people redeem themselves and others, never ever even get out of their fearsome skins and be truthful?
best,
Dushwari
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kaun, you make sense in the murphy's law. okam's razor is also one that is not always understood by people. but besides this western logic, without being biased by these, there is something even more powerful - the instinct, the intuitive. whne one knows that the person is causing harm, why does that person not stop the harming? when a person knows that s/he is unjust, why do they not stop? is it fear, it is being lazy or being ignorant, or being delibrately mean and ineffective? what makes some people redeem themselves and others, never ever even get out of their fearsome skins and be truthful? best, Dushwari
In this case its normally the love for that person or our blind faith that makes us believe "KEY HEY WOH MEREY SAATH AISA NAHI KAREGA "
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Interesting, in fact very interesting, it is like engulfing the gulf into a bucket. You have incorrectly attributed a psychological phenomenon to a mindset and then called it a habit, like habit is something that we optionally chose for us as “off time hobby” .And in a bid to to explain it further you amalgamated it with nurture, and finally concluded with one example of school education. Bravo, if human personality trait was that simple, we could have found one Sigmund Freud in every home
I will not write two hundred lines but just a clarification of one misconception. Though brought up plays an important role in our personality outlook, it is like a paint on the outer walls ,it works only in normal conditions, in extra ordinary situations this shiny paint loses its color and the true nature takes over. What do you think of Afghan people, are they habitually pessimistic, or do u think that 30 years of war and 2 generations under fear have made some genetic changes?
Thanks Intelliphant ...but WHY? WHy fear instead of hope??
Negative mindset is a habit! I believe from observations and own exerience, that it is an educational trait (at first), usually instilled early in childhood, mostly by parents, but partly by teachers too. Thus depending on your family background, and very much on your cultural upbringing (gender/social class/religion/ethny/country where u grow up) you are more are less prone to negative thinking. I have witnessed that my fellow french people are far more prone to it than americans for example (cause in USA teachers are more appreciating of efforts & improvments than punishing any little failure). And I have come to the conclusion that it's usually triggered by a threat&guilt based education. Guilt and threats repeated by parents/teachers into childs blank minds surges fear and doubt about future outcomes. Limited brains, negative thinking, risk averse people and shyness are all kinds of manifestation of lack of self confidence resulting from restrictive upbringing/childhood environement (females are far more restricted by parents/society, thus explaining that they suffer this problem more often).
How can you believe in the future if you don't believe in YOU? How can you expect the world to bring what you don't believe you can bring to yourself? Whereas I answer "I can't" to these question, I've learnt (though painfully and slowly) to believe in me and expect from myself. Since I've become able to do that, my mindset ceased to be negative! I have started to feel hope just like other self confident people.
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Peace All
Why choose to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation?
Better to be safe than sorry perhaps!
Counterbalance with ...
Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
Dunno?
Unknown = uncertainty which can mean risk but can also mean opportunity.
risk is the chance of harm and opportunity is the chance of benefit.
Risk can be :
Taken, Avoided, Reduced, Transfered or Extinguished
Taking a risk is stupid (handyworks of Satan ... inside joke)
Avoiding the risk can involve inaction ............. waiting
The other forms are mitigation techniques and when people are bound for the unknown what is best for them to do?
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) told a companion who was informed of his death what he should do ... to seek knowledge. Why? Because that would mitigate his risk. The unknown of 'after death' state is troublesome, the instruction was to seek knowledge the knowledge would reduce the risk because the level of uncertainty becomes reduced.
The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also said where there is doubt it is best to avoid it.
To assume the negative is to justify the avoidance, to assume a positive is to be careless with the odds.
Therefore am I right in saying that to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation is actually a positive act?
Yes mathematically that is true ... negative outcome assumed (-ve) ... multipled ... unknown (-ve) gives (+ve).
assume positive outcome (+ve) in unknown (-ve) = (-ve) action.
Also ... one can cut his losses that is the wisest way to Day trade ... if you do that sort of thing.
Actions need to be permissible before looking at the outcomes, or else we will fall into justification of means by ends. If they are then we need to place trust in God to manifest those outcomes in accordance with our best wishes. Then we need to take those actions. To determine the permissibility of something is akin to it's feasibility. We should analyse situations before hand ... We can test the water without scolding ourselves before we decide to dive in.
When we drink tea we sip to check for the temperature before we gulp ... Caution is natural and makes good sense .... no?
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Peace All
Why choose to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation?
Better to be safe than sorry perhaps!
Counterbalance with ...
Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
Dunno?
Unknown = uncertainty which can mean risk but can also mean opportunity. risk is the chance of harm and opportunity is the chance of benefit.
Risk can be :
Taken, Avoided, Reduced, Transfered or Extinguished
Taking a risk is stupid (handyworks of Satan ... inside joke) Avoiding the risk can involve inaction ............. waiting The other forms are mitigation techniques and when people are bound for the unknown what is best for them to do?
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) told a companion who was informed of his death what he should do ... to seek knowledge. Why? Because that would mitigate his risk. The unknown of 'after death' state is troublesome, the instruction was to seek knowledge the knowledge would reduce the risk because the level of uncertainty becomes reduced.
The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also said where there is doubt it is best to avoid it.
To assume the negative is to justify the avoidance, to assume a positive is to be careless with the odds.
Therefore am I right in saying that to assume a negative outcome in an unknown situation is actually a positive act?
Yes mathematically that is true ... negative outcome assumed (-ve) ... multipled ... unknown (-ve) gives (+ve).
assume positive outcome (+ve) in unknown (-ve) = (-ve) action.
Also ... one can cut his losses that is the wisest way to Day trade ... if you do that sort of thing.
Actions need to be permissible before looking at the outcomes, or else we will fall into justification of means by ends. If they are then we need to place trust in God to manifest those outcomes in accordance with our best wishes. Then we need to take those actions. To determine the permissibility of something is akin to it's feasibility. We should analyse situations before hand ... We can test the water without scolding ourselves before we decide to dive in.
When we drink tea we sip to check for the temperature before we gulp ... Caution is natural and makes good sense .... no?
Beautiful, impressive,Mashallah your take has opened a new direction, a direction of faith and sanity not mere psychology. Thank you
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kaun, you make sense in the murphy's law. okam's razor is also one that is not always understood by people. but besides this western logic, without being biased by these, there is something even more powerful - the instinct, the intuitive. when one knows that the person is causing harm, why does that person not stop the harming? when a person knows that s/he is unjust, why do they not stop? is it fear, it is being lazy or being ignorant, or being delibrately mean and ineffective? what makes some people redeem themselves and others, never ever even get out of their fearsome skins and be truthful? best, Dushwari
Peace Dushwari
Ah ... this is a slightly different question ... I think the answer lies in "inertia" ... more effort is required to change a situation than to allow the situation to remain. Why does the person not just stop? Because there is not enough energy.
These are prevalent in the laws of mechanical motion, but are transmutable to decision-making.
Knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah does not make a person Muslim. But rather believing in them ... and having the tawfiq in that belief .... does!
Belief and Impetus are required for something that is known to manifest in to an action that requires a response.
Impetus is that what connects the dots from knowledge to understanding...
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Beautiful, impressive,Mashallah your take has opened a new direction, a direction of faith and sanity not mere psychology. Thank you
Peace IntelliPhant
And Allah (SWT) Knows Best ... May I be stricken with humility ... and thank you too.
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hi psyah,
if i may take this further, the real piety lies in acts not after believing. >>
responsive ness is all that lacks sadly on part of someone, who can be mulled over and wont budge.
there is something that holds back, and that could simply be, as u said, a lack of action.
decidedly so, and when and for how long, further complicates the situation.
human interaction is not limited to instinct.
even faith will require some act on the part of its potential believer, and that as i mentioned earlier, cant be entitled to faithful behavior and character, if this same genuinely expressible, is missing.
psychology is not at odds with faith and abstract logic.
there are many things in the world that can be changed, only if...
if only, people were to be true to their convictions.
as always, thanks for the enriching elaboration and encouragement of the thoughts shared in the beginning of the thread.
best,
Dushwari
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Peace Dushwari
Ah ... this is a slightly different question ... I think the answer lies in "inertia" ... more effort is required to change a situation than to allow the situation to remain. Why does the person not just stop? Because there is not enough energy.
These are prevalent in the laws of mechanical motion, but are transmutable to decision-making.
Knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah does not make a person Muslim. But rather believing in them ... and having the tawfiq in that belief .... does!
Belief and Impetus are required for something that is known to manifest in to an action that requires a response.
Impetus is that what connects the dots from knowledge to understanding...
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hi psyah,
if i may take this further, the real piety lies in acts not after believing. >> responsive ness is all that lacks sadly on part of someone, who can be mulled over and wont budge.
there is something that holds back, and that could simply be, as u said, a lack of action. decidedly so, and when and for how long, further complicates the situation. human interaction is not limited to instinct.
even faith will require some act on the part of its potential believer, and that as i mentioned earlier, cant be entitled to faithful behavior and character, if this same genuinely expressible, is missing. psychology is not at odds with faith and abstract logic. there are many things in the world that can be changed, only if...
if only, people were to be true to their convictions. as always, thanks for the enriching elaboration and encouragement of the thoughts shared in the beginning of the thread.
best, Dushwari
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Peace Sister
So true ... That we will be judged based on the intention of our actions, not necessarily on mere intentions. I've often wondered why saying the Kalimah out loud in Shahdah is a pillar of Islam. You have provided the answer. That believing is to Bearing Witness that Intention is to Action.
The process of bearing witness makes the belief itself into an action on what we can be judged.
For those who perceive what says they understand
For those who understand what says they act upon
For those who act upon what says they invite others to join
For those who invite others what says they do so well.
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thanks, br. psyah.
best,
Dushwari
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Thanks Intelliphant ...but WHY? WHy fear instead of hope??
Negative mindset is a habit! I believe from observations and own exerience, that it is an educational trait (at first), usually instilled early in childhood, mostly by parents, but partly by teachers too. Thus depending on your family background, and very much on your cultural upbringing (gender/social class/religion/ethny/country where u grow up) you are more are less prone to negative thinking. I have witnessed that my fellow french people are far more prone to it than americans for example (cause in USA teachers are more appreciating of efforts & improvments than punishing any little failure). And I have come to the conclusion that it's usually triggered by a threat&guilt based education. Guilt and threats repeated by parents/teachers into childs blank minds surges fear and doubt about future outcomes. Limited brains, negative thinking, risk averse people and shyness are all kinds of manifestation of lack of self confidence resulting from restrictive upbringing/childhood environement (females are far more restricted by parents/society, thus explaining that they suffer this problem more often).
How can you believe in the future if you don't believe in YOU? How can you expect the world to bring what you don't believe you can bring to yourself? Whereas I answer "I can't" to these question, I've learnt (though painfully and slowly) to believe in me and expect from myself. Since I've become able to do that, my mindset ceased to be negative! I have started to feel hope just like other self confident people.
Welcome back! And a good come back.
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Sigmund Freud was a fraud..
i do not share his views, and i do not share your negative ways to answer, if you could bring an answer bring it, don't pretend to know what you don't
"one thing more: if you can not explain in simple words and few lines a complex concept,it is meaning you don't understand it thourouhgly..."
don't be a sigmung freud...
Human psychology is simple (well not more than anything else in life), only dangerous gurus like Sigmund Freud, or you, that are trying to deprive us of our own hapiness, health and MONEY would like us to believe that we do not have control over our minds.
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parisennor,
^ true, and genes do have power over the being of a person, you said that, in another thread, right?
look into your own contradicions before you deprive yourself of the ability to take part in a discussion without being pre judgemental.
you comments are welcome, still. as i dont hold any grudge on you.
it seems very clear that you do.
best,
Dushwari
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parisennor, ^ true, and genes do have power over the being of a person, you said that, in another thread, right?
look into your own contradicions before you deprive yourself of the ability to take part in a discussion without being pre judgemental.
you comments are welcome, still. as i dont hold any grudge on you. it seems very clear that you do.
best, Dushwari
my genes are part of me, so when i claim i do have power over my mind, it means, my genes have power over my mind. There is no contraction in this.
my genes can express themselves somewhat diferently depending on my lifestyle, so when i claim i can change myself, aka my genes expression, by my lifestyle, i'm still consistent.
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It leaves me in a great stupefaction to see how all the positive mindset disintegrated with one voice of dissent, leaving the debris of arrogance falling on all those who would disagree. I am amazed to see how your optimism evaporated with one word of disagreement, and still you believe that you can control your mind.
I have no contention with the fact that you don’t share Freud’s views. You see a fraud in him, and I see in him a man who dedicated his life for a cause, we may disagree about his research, but calling him a “fraud” with one stroke of tongue is highly reprehensible , and bestows yet another ostentatious proof of your ,otherwise, positive mindset.
A complex phenomenon can be simplified to an extent where it doesn’t lose its underlying concept, you may be careful in generalizing this strange idea, because that leaves no room for the authors to write books about one simple concept. I agree with you that I am no authority on the matter under discussion, but give me a freedom of choice to reject the yardstick that you carry to appraise my knowledge. Your opinion does not serve as a benchmark for me to formulate my undertaking on any subject.
Human psychology is simple for all those who don’t know about it, or don’t know the bigger picture, for all those who have spent their lives in it find it very complex. Where did I try to deprive you of happiness, what was the core of my argument that tried to rid you of your money and health. If you find insulting people an act of gratification, I welcome you to comeback and scourge me again.
Sigmund Freud was a fraud.. i do not share his views, and i do not share your negative ways to answer, if you could bring an answer bring it, don't pretend to know what you don't "one thing more: if you can not explain in simple words and few lines a complex concept,it is meaning you don't understand it thourouhgly..." don't be a sigmung freud... Human psychology is simple (well not more than anything else in life), only dangerous gurus like Sigmund Freud, or you, that are trying to deprive us of our own hapiness, health and MONEY would like us to believe that we do not have control over our minds.