Continuation of PPP govt to augur well for country: Musharraf

The NRO is now making perfect sense!! Mush lovers should come out in the open and celebrate great Zardari!

KARACHI: Former president Pervez Musharraf on Monday said continuation of the PPP-led coalition government will help Pakistan progress, adding the completion of a government’s tenure was a “demand of democracy” so that a country can prosper.

Speaking at a press conference immediately after his arrival from India, where he delivered a lecture on the “Challenges of Change” during the India Today conclave, he, however, declined to comment on whether he thought the present government would last five years.

Commenting on the controversial comment he made during an interview in India in which he said he was willing to become president of Pakistan again, Musharraf clarified he made the comment in a lighter vein. He chuckled the interviewer had asked him the same question at least thrice — if it (the presidentship) was offered to him would he take it — to which he finally replied that if he was “offered” the post he would take it, but only if he thought he could do some good: “If I can be useful, why not?”

However, he clarified he did not want to be a dummy president. Speaking to a packed room overflowing with media men, he also shot down impressions that he intended on forming a political party or even joining one, saying he had “not given it any thought”. He did, however, add such decisions depended on the situation in the country at a given moment.

When asked how he would tackle the present situation had he still been in power, he tersely replied “everyone has their own way of dealing with things”. He added he had learned in the Army to “always study the effect” before getting into the details of how to do something. If the end result was desirable and in line with the policy government, then it should be done, said the former president.

Things heated up momentarily when Musharraf was questioned about the lingering issue of the reinstatement of deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. The retired general said his stance on the deposed chief justice was apparent in the reference that was sent to the Supreme Judicial Council. All allegations against the deposed chief justice were in the open and people should judge for themselves if they want such a person to be the chief justice.

On his decision to move the reference against Justice Iftikhar and the reaction to it, he said it is difficult to precisely gauge the fallout of each move, stressing hindsight was always 20-20. “What has happened, has happened,” he shrugged.

He, however, emphatically rebuffed the notion that the SJC had rejected his allegations against the former chief justice, alleging the contents of his reference had not even been discussed in the case. “It’s not that simple,” he stressed.

He refused to comment on a question regarding the controversial National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), saying this was not the “right occasion” to get into such subjects. The former Army chief also said he, as the then-president, had merely advised the appointment of Salmaan Taseer as governor of Punjab from a list of few names given to him.

Commenting on if the mindset of India towards Pakistan was different today than it was when he was in power Musharraf said the relations between the two countries suffered due to a trust deficit. Musharraf said a lot of ground had been made when he was in power, but the recent incidents of violence (Mumbai attacks and the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore) have further hurt the trust deficit, and there is a need for interaction to continue despite such acts of sabotage so that the distortion, lack of understanding and misperceptions on both sides of the border are not strengthened.

Musharraf said he had told the Indian media that there was a lot of distortion in their country and advised them not to create war hysteria. He also said he had answered questions about the possibility of surgical strikes into Pakistan by India quite bluntly by saying it will most certainly lead to confrontation. Both sides need to be sensible, he urged, adding war hysteria by the media makes the public on both sides of the border become antagonistic towards the other, which is not desirable.

He stressed the need to resolve all areas of dispute between the two countries if confrontation was to be ended in a sustainable manner. On the possibility of forums such as the India Today Conclave pressing for peace talks between India and Pakistan, the retired general said initiating talks was the prerogative of governments, but players such as the media and intellectuals could act as a pressure group in this regard.

Musharraf said he supported the establishment of Nizam-e-Adl, clarifying that the “understanding” in the NWFP was between the government and Sufi Muhammad, chief of the Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) and not between the government and the Taliban and other militants. Sufi Muhammad, he said, was just trying to bring peace in the valley by asking militants to lay down their arms and had the added influence of being the father-in-law of Swat militant leader Maulana Fazlullah.

Those backing the imposition of Nizam-e-Adl in the Swat valley and had come out in the streets in support of the system, he said, were not militants but the people of Swat themselves. Turning to history, he said the demand for Nizam-e-Adl was not a new one being put forward by the Taliban, but was something the people of the valley had wanted since 1969 so that justice could be dispensed quickly by Qazi Courts.

He dispelled the worried notion that the Shariah Law had been imposed in the NWFP and could spread across Pakistan. The countryís Constitution, he pointed out, says that no law repugnant to Islam can be passed; hence, Shariah was effectively always there in Pakistan which, he said, was after all an Islamic Republic.

He also claimed that when this idea was floated to him when he was in power, he asked its proponents to explain the design of the system. Back then, he added, it was demanded that the Qazi courts would have the final say and that its decisions could not be challenged by other courts in the land. Conversely, the recent deal, he further claimed, allows for the high courts and the Supreme Court to remain in the picture, which was a good thing because it would allow quick justice and also be in line with the law of the land.

“This should have been done in the sake of peace,” he said. This initiative, said Musharraf, is being taken by the Awami National Party (ANP) which had swept the polls in the Swat valley. The ANP are not Taliban, he said, adding the US needed to understand this while analysing the decision of the NWFP government to bring Nizam-e-Adl.

He also rubbished the view that Nizam-e-Adl was the result of a lack of will on the part of the Pakistan Army to tackle militancy in troubled areas. “Do not talk about will,” he retorted to a question. The armed forces have been able to overrun Bajaur and Mohmand and dispel militants, claimed the former Army chief, adding the armed forces were now active in North and South Waziristan battling militancy.

“You cannot just open up all fronts,” said Musharraf. He also said he was absolutely opposed to cross-border attacks on Pakistani territory, by anyone, including the US use of drones but hastened to add Pakistan found itself in a “Catch-22” situation, and he was for concrete use of force in the troubled regions which, he said, was full of foreigners that were using Pakistan’s soil for their militant activities.

These foreigners, he said, comprised Uzbeks, Afghans and even Chinese. “Why are they there?” he questioned rhetorically. He recalled that even the Chinese government had talked to Pakistan about the possibility of a terrorist attack during the Olympic Games (hosted by China in 2008) by elements in the troubled border regions of Pakistan. It is a matter of great shame that a close friend like China has to say such things to us, he said, adding throughout the world Pakistan was being given a bad name by these militants and extremists.

“They say the Army has terrorists, the ISI has terrorists,” he said, adding Pakistan must “finish” and “kill” these elements to save itself and its name and that the state cannot survive in a vacuum.

The former president also said the country is passing through a difficult phase at the moment, confronted by security threats, law and order threats, political uncertainty and an economic crisis. It is the responsibility of the government to safeguard these fronts.

Both internal and external security threats, which Musharraf said was the first priority of the state, was the responsibility of the armed forces of Pakistan, and in particular that of the Army chief.

It is the Army chief’s responsibility to do what he has to do to ensure security and also that of the ISI, he said, but parried a question about what the COAS would or should do, saying it was his (Gen Kayani’s) decision.

He implored the media and the nation that instead of maligning, they should support the Army and the ISI, which he described as the “backbone of the country”. “A strong Army means a strong Pakistan,” he emphasised.

He also rejected criticism for holding the presidential elections while he was in uniform in 2007, saying he had followed the Constitution completely.

Giving details of his trip to India, the former COAS said he was thankful to the Indian government and the India Today Conclave for giving him the sort of protocol, reception and security given to a head of state, despite the fact that he had gone there in the capacity of a common Pakistani citizen. He said he was also fine with the security provided to him by the present government in Pakistan, quipping, however, that he could also “defend himself” if need be.

He congratulated the India Today Conclave for holding such a high-profile and successful event with impressive arrangements. Providing more details on his trip to India, he said he visited the Jamia Masjid, the shrine of Nizamuddin Aulia as well as Qutub Minar.

Continuation of PPP govt to augur well for country: Musharraf

Re: Continuation of PPP govt to augur well for country: Musharraf

do you not want the PPP govt to continue Data? do you wish for the army to intervene again?

it is ironic how quickly people who supported democracy want the overthrow of a govt that has a pretty heavy national mandate.

Firstly, why would I want Zardari as President? Secondly, the only alternative to Zardari is NOT the armed forces

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it is ironic how quickly people who supported democracy want the overthrow of a govt that has a pretty heavy national mandate.
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The supporters of democracy did not want the NRO, Zardari, or presidential rule. This mandate can goto hell if it was based on unconstitutional moves, and will be used in future to carry on the same things.

How do you envision zardari being removed. Please specify the mechanics of whatever alternative you want.

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The supporters of democracy did not want the NRO, Zardari, or presidential rule. This mandate can goto hell if it was based on unconstitutional moves, and will be used in future to carry on the same things.
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the only future we have is the past. this is the 90s all over again, with the same dynamic of 'opposition' parties trying to get the army to overthrow the elected government after a year or two. and then we blame them for martial law.

if the people dont want the NRO, zardari, or presidential rule, they can vote it ALL out.

Bring back and independent judiciary :smack: He will be history.

No its not, the 90s did not have such a powerful media, and nor is our army that power hungry after the humiliation it recieved at the hands of one of its own at the helm. Like I said, people will continue to vote for their PPP politicians, who are good and able politicians, but the system cannot be manipulated such that an uneducated jahil criminal can bypass the system and come and dictate them to become their president, who by the way shouldnt even be running things.

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army was pretty humiliated after pretty much every military rule but it always comes back, when yahya and co were booted thats what everyone thought and just a handful of years later, we had Zia, when Zia was assassinated, the general feeling was that there will be no army intervention in future and we know what happened after that.

you are correct that 90's we did not have as powerful or pervasive media but thats a double edge sword for politicians and military dictators alike.

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Nothing can change this country. It wll be dragged on and on like it has been for last 70 years.

We need a true revolution. Many people should be standing in front of fiing squad. Many will goto jail for life time. Many will be removed from their (govt) jobs. Many will see ceased assets and property/business. Make education mandatory till 10th grade regardless. Get two year advance training for the police force from developed countries. Increase salary of the Police force 4 times. Make it a constitution that if any judge is found affiliated or influenced by any political party or group, he will be disqualified automatically after a fair trial. The military top brass must not meet polititians ever. Except for PM and ministries of defence and forieng affairs for job related meetings only. Military should be kept in barracks and HQ watching radars with zero political power. ISI should be dismantled. MI should take care of its job, securing our borders.

This is a basic democratic model. But looks utopian to Pakistanis. People say right away, talk about something practical, something that can be implemented and possible. Well, no pain no gain. No revolution no progress. This feudal system will not let people govern this country. It will always be beauracracy + military + corrupt politians trika.

Assuming that to be the case, I again ask, how? Who will bring it back? Presumably you wont have protests and then wake up to find the judiciary back.

Show me a way for that to happen that doesnt involve the army.

I highly doubt that last statement. The dictator before Mush was blown up. The dictator before that was ousted after massive public protests, much the same was as Mush (Ayyub). History doesnt bear it out.

The same good and able politicians backed Zardari mind you. The current government, for whatever it is worth, reflects the will of the people circa feb 2008.

You just dont believe in democracy. There are democratic ways of bringing about change. Trying to get the army to intervene once again isnt one of them.

Remember how CJ Iftikhar was reinstated after being ousted, who brought him back then? You have to think a little before asking me these questions as the answers are already there. WE will bring him back. WE the people who believe in him, not croonies of Musharraf. Also, if something hasnt been done before, what makes you think it cant be done ever?

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Show me a way for that to happen that doesnt involve the army.

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Plenty of times the army has stayed away and played a very neutral role, just like in 1993.

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I highly doubt that last statement. The dictator before Mush was blown up. The dictator before that was ousted after massive public protests, much the same was as Mush (Ayyub). History doesnt bear it out.

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As much as a despise Zia, the army's image was never tarnished, and thats in response to your post too Mr Sinister.

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The same good and able politicians backed Zardari mind you. The current government, for whatever it is worth, reflects the will of the people circa feb 2008.

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They DONT. They are forced to, just like we are forced to have him as our president. The bill that they passed, which binds them to their party or they get disqualified was part of the preplanned conspiracy to bring this criminal back.

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You just dont believe in democracy. There are democratic ways of bringing about change. Trying to get the army to intervene once again isnt one of them.
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Again, where the HELL did I say we have to get the army's help? The people are quite capable of bringing about this change themselves, through whatever means necessary. p.s. I believe in a democracy free of these irregularities, which you believe in. A criminal becoming the president, with so much power in a parliamentary system after 7-8 months of an election is NOT democracy and is NOT acceptable under any condition.

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p…0-3-2009_pg7_16

‘Musharraf was ready to make Benazir PM’

LAHORE:** Awami Muslim League chief Sheikh Rasheed has claimed that former president Pervez Musharraf was ready to name Benazir Bhutto the prime minister for a third time, a private TV channel reported on Monday. **

Talking to the channel, Rasheed said Benazir was in contact with Musharraf prior to signing the Charter of Democracy. “The long march does not remain in the lawyers’ hand now, as the politicians have joined the show,” he said.

He said Nawaz Sharif’s decision to take to the streets would provide extra time to Zardari, adding that “the third force” would overthrow both of them if the confrontation continued. daily times monitor

  • This is why the system doesnt work, all it takes is one goon to mess it all up*

Re: Continuation of PPP govt to augur well for country: Musharraf

Agree with Musharraf. Hopefully the army and establishment will not do anything that will make them lose Sindh. They have already lost half of NWFP and Balochistan.

If Zardari is ousted by force, the ethnic divide will be wider then it has ever been since 71.

Wasn't it COAS who reinstated him?

Answer is clear now. Only Musharraf can reinstate Ifiti.

No, it was stalwarts like Bhagwandas. The COAS got a tamacha on his ugly face.

Not really, it means "COAS" can reinstate him. Musharraf has no power now, if Kayani wants then Zardari will reinstate him, Kayani already gave soft warning to keep things in control otherwise exit door might open.

Yes but then COAS ousted him again on Nov 3 and CJ is on the roads since then. So even if Dogar issues order to reinstate Ifti that wouldn't mean squat.

The answers are NOT there. Every situation cannot be shoe horned into any other.

Now you say CJ was reinstated. It was through a panel of likeminded people ruling the case in the courts. I dont believe Dogar et al have the capacity or the inclination for anything of the sort. Do you?

Is that what you are counting on then? That the Supreme court will take suo moto notice and bahaalify the guy?

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Plenty of times the army has stayed away and played a very neutral role, just like in 1993.
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In 1993 the president dissolved the parliament. Do you expect the president to dissolve the parliament today? Why? Like I said, you cannot shoehorn one situation into another.

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As much as a despise Zia, the army's image was never tarnished, and thats in response to your post too Mr Sinister.

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Depends on who you ask. For many the reputation has been tarnished for a while ever since they started taking over every 10 years, and developing their military-industry nexus.

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They DONT. They are forced to, just like we are forced to have him as our president. The bill that they passed, which binds them to their party or they get disqualified was part of the preplanned conspiracy to bring this criminal back.

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Rehne do yar. Rank and file fell in line with zardari around the time of BB's death. Zardari played clever politics, but no law forced the 'supreme committee' or whatever it was called to elect Zardari co chairman over a fictional will. Had they the stones God gave little children theyd have resisted it then, and elected someone else besides a teenager and his caretaking dad.

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Again, where the HELL did I say we have to get the army's help? The people are quite capable of bringing about this change themselves, through whatever means necessary.

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What does that mean? By any means necessary? We have very limited means, and assuming that Zardari wont dissolve himself and Dogar wont remove himself, what else are you talking about?

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p.s. I believe in a democracy free of these irregularities, which you believe in. A criminal becoming the president, with so much power in a parliamentary system after 7-8 months of an election is NOT democracy and is NOT acceptable under any condition.
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Why not object to the criminality of the Sharif baradaran then? Or will you only object once someone becomes president for some reason... CM waghera theek hai!

Fact is we're stuck with criminals and jackasses heading all popular parties as leaders for the foreseeable future. The only hope we have is to hold our noses and let the system run a few cycles, and allow people to EVER exercise the option of voting people out of office... instead of forcing the army to intervene every two years.

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LJ we're back to square one again, but let me just tell u this, Zardari will get a THUDDA pretty soon, and it wont be because of another coup, mark my words. Now please dont ask me for who will do it or when, as I am no najoomi, but its a solid prediction, based on current events.

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oh i agree, if they continue to make things unstable in the right places, they'll bring the govt down. they can barely deal with a few hundred/a few thousand miscreants in NWFP while having popular support there, I have complete confidence in the ineptness of their regime to be unable to contain a 'jihad'/violent protests in another province, thereby allowing/forcing the army to step in and bartaraf zardari.

we should just accept reality and have elections every year. atleast this would be part of the process then.

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I think Zardari could have been a hero. He had backing from all provinces and most parties. He could have taken some concrete steps to strengthen democracy and won hearts and popularise PPP.

Now, the popularity of the president and PPP has gone to dogs. I don’t care much about the president, but PPP should not lose public support just because of dictatorial decisions made by Zardari.

July 2008:

Despite Zardari’s hesitancy confronting Musharraf, IRI’s poll found his popularity rating had gone up to 45 percent from 37 percent in the last poll released in February.

http://www.iri.org/newsarchive/2008/2008-07-17-News-Reuters-Pakistan.asp

December 2008:

Respondents in the October poll gave President Zardari an approval rating of 19 percent,
while 63 percent said they disapproved of the job he was doing.

http://www.iri.org/mena/pakistan/pdfs/2008%20December%2019%20IRI%20Pakistan%20Index,%20October%2015-30,%202008.pdf