Construct an "ideal" madrassah

Purely hypothetical. If you had a choice, how would you construct the curriculum for a true madrassah - i.e., what type of subjects/courses would you offer at what ages. i’d make it mandatory to study other religions, maybe split it into eastern and western religions. Eastern religions would include the study of Buddism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism and Shinto. Western religions would include the study of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity with emphasis on their shared histories and points of divergence. We’d have speakers come in to talk about the diverse religions and the diverse practices/customs etc. It goes without saying there would be a whole unit on the fundamentals of Islam - beginning from the five pillars, which would be explored in depth; memorizing the Quran would be strongly encouraged with simultaneous comprehension of the Arabic as well. Of course, Arabic itself would be taught - the grammar, syntax, both written and verbal forms of Arabic. Calligraphy would be a separate course. Next i’d like to have a whole separate unit on rights within Islam - what rights each group of people has: nonMuslims, non-monotheists, women, elderly, the poor, children, mothers, husbands, wives, combatants, civilians, etc. There’d be emphasis on Islam’s history and medical/philosophical/astronomical etc contributions - in order for this to be effective, there would have to be a history class on Europe and the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the Renaissance, etc.

:o Yeah this sounds like a boring madrassah already. To make it more fun, i’d include some archaeology units as well - study the different styles of Islamic architecture. To impress the importance of charity/zakaat, i’d discuss global poverty, Aids, role of NGOs, multilateral institutions etc. To emphasize Islam’s stance on racism, i’d discuss hadiths such as the ones regarding Bilal (the first muezzin), discuss the Hajj, and probably have a whole unit about contemporary Muslim reverts (Yusuf Islam, and Muslim African Americans) and their contributions towards Islam.

To emphasize the importance and sacred nature of marriage, i’d have a senior-level course on how Prophet Muhammad (may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) treated his wives… hmm what else. The zakaat unit would deal with corruption and bribery and why it’s a sin in Islam to indulge in those practices.

All of the above would go hand in hand with the ‘conventional’ subjects as well - i.e., Chemistry, English, Geography, Math, Physics, etc etc. An option to take a third language (Spanish, French, etc.) would be highly encouraged, apart from Arabic and English.

This would be SOMEWHAT close to my opinion of a hypothetical “ideal” madrassah (not that i believe such a madrassah would actually ever exist at any time) - an institution not for rata-fication and rote learning, but one that truly explores what it means to live one’s life by Islam.

In the kind of setup these Madrassahs spring out of, this sounds more like a University and a 5 year course..

I think the madrassah's revolve around the reading of the qur'an and any other information the faculty is able to pass down to malleable minds. There is little or no effort to actually understand what's written.. rather acceped point of views are shoved down everyone..

An ideal madrassah can take the first step by questioning.. Young minds have lots of them.. and satisfactory answers may work better than ball and chains in keeping them glued to their seats.

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This would be SOMEWHAT close to my opinion of a hypothetical "ideal" madrassah (not that i believe such a madrassah would actually ever exist at any time) - an institution not for rata-fication and rote learning, but one that truly explores what it means to live one's life by Islam.
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The school sounds a bit like Rowling's Hogwarts but I am buying. But, will such a place be allowed to exist?

nadia

I know a madrassa in pakistan which does not cover all of this but covers subjects such as languages (urdu. english), basic sciences (math, gen sci), social studies etc. The madrassa is aimed at kids from poor families. It is called jamia hamadia and it is in Shah Faisal Colony #3 in Karachi.

I knew some people who were among the benfactors of teh place at one point, and had an opportunity to go talk to kids as a guest teacher about different places i had been to and how things are different there.

the problem is that a lot of the madrassahs that popped up later especially in rural areas are just a study..or rather indoctrination of the madrassahs admin's views, and we know where the madrassahs got their funding from. so the kids were not educated, they were indoctrinated, a big difference.

Pres musharraf has done a good job by having standard curriculum requirements for madrassahs, added to that we should have minimal qualifications and certifications acceptable for someone to be able to teach etc.

By not teaching these kids other subjects which could help them better their lives and earn a better living, or at minimum be better aware and thus tolerant, we are not just shortchanging the kids, we are short changing teh society.

i see your list of things, but whatyou have not covered is subjects liek art..physical training..kids should be able to develop their social skills and all through team sports. basically madrassahs need to become more liek schools.

Author of this thread is really very innocent.

  1. In Islamic State schools and colleges that she wants to name Madrisa other religions are studied, but thru an eye of Islam.

  2. In Madrisas that is meant for Muslim children, there is no scope of mentioning other religions. Disbelievers cannot have a religion.

  3. She knows nothing of Pak President’ efforts. Musharraf wants that in all Islamic Madrisas the study of science like subjects should be compulsory. And in response some hard core Madrisas asked him to start the study of Deen, that is the study of Islam in all schools.

Fantasies differ from realities.

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All of the above would go hand in hand with the 'conventional' subjects as well - i.e., Chemistry, English, Geography, Math, Physics, etc etc. An option to take a third language (Spanish, French, etc.) would be highly encouraged, apart from Arabic and English.

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I am sure this kind of Madrasas will produce completely confused and disoriented children in bulk.

And is there any place for local languages like Balochi, Pushto, Panjabi or Sindhi in your Madrasa?

yahudi, is this your lifetime ambition to criticize each and every post regarding Islam? readup what she says "hypothetical", I hope you understand its meaning, otherwise search for net just like you search it for anti-Islam propaganda.

well, what i see of the nowadays madrassahs is that the faculty is not really a faculty, e.g. someone who is trained and skilled in giving lectures and guiding pupils. Mostly they are just the previous generation who has learnt the Qur'an and some Hadith by heart and makes the pupils do the same.

A good madrassah for me would have Islam as merely a subject. Most of the time would be filled with all kinds of subjects which have a common area with religion: history, philosophy, maths, physics, biology. But for me the focus would be on 'independent thought', something which is MOST restricted in current-day religious teachings.

i'll respond to all of the above later tonight. Just wanted to say that i think Fraudz hit the nail on the head, maybe madrassahs need to be more like schools. The way i envision MY ideal madrassh, is that it is a place of genuine learning about the world. There is an ayat to the effect that we should travel the world to learn what happened to those before us. Does Allah not instruct us to contemplate His Signs in everything around us from the skies (that act as 'canopies') to the earth that is fertilized by rain ? It's a holistic perspective...and that's what "my" ideal madrassah envisions.

Fraudz - physical activity would be a must. i forgot to include that.

A note to everyone - obviously this is a hypothetical situation as i stressed in literally the second word of my thread at the beginning: Hypothetical. Take the idea and mould it as you will - not everything in life is meant to be so serious. Simultaneously i liked the thought of exploring what purposes a genuine madrassah actually should serve. i don't subscribe to the view that a madrassah is meant to be an institution where rata-fication is the norm; i think in Islam's earlier history, madrassahs were a place of learning, of thoughts, of self-expression, of learned elderly men sharing their wisdom, of sponsoring social welfare orgs in the community.

That's my belief, manifestly everyone will have their own. If you respect mine, i'll respect yours. Fair enough i think.

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To make it more fun, i'd include some archaeology units as well
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Arghhh! :) Thats 'fun' for you? :p

Anyway, the madrassah I will design will have a lot of Allah-Rasool ki batein. For the rest of the stuff, the kids should go to a regular school. I will pay the fee. Ab kiyon re-invent the wheel there? :)

madrasa system basically services poor children and they are not given real education while middle class and rich kids learn english in convent
and christian schools. madrasa education will lead only to problems of coexistence in a multi racial and multi relgious world.

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Purely hypothetical. If you had a choice, how would you construct the curriculum for a true madrassah - i.e., what type of subjects/courses would you offer at what ages. i'd make it **mandatory
* to study other religions, maybe split it into eastern and western religions. Eastern religions would include the study of Buddism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism and Shinto. Western religions would include the study of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity with emphasis on their shared histories and points of divergence. We'd have speakers come in to talk about the diverse religions and the diverse practices/customs etc. It goes without saying there would be a whole unit on the fundamentals of Islam - beginning from the five pillars, which would be explored in depth; memorizing the Quran would be strongly encouraged with simultaneous comprehension of the Arabic as well. Of course, Arabic itself would be taught - the grammar, syntax, both written and verbal forms of Arabic. Calligraphy would be a separate course. Next i'd like to have a whole separate unit on rights within Islam - what rights each group of people has: nonMuslims, non-monotheists, women, elderly, the poor, children, mothers, husbands, wives, combatants, civilians, etc. There'd be emphasis on Islam's history and medical/philosophical/astronomical etc contributions - in order for this to be effective, there would have to be a history class on Europe and the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the Renaissance, etc.

:o Yeah this sounds like a boring madrassah already. To make it more fun, i'd include some archaeology units as well - study the different styles of Islamic architecture. To impress the importance of charity/zakaat, i'd discuss global poverty, Aids, role of NGOs, multilateral institutions etc. To emphasize Islam's stance on racism, i'd discuss hadiths such as the ones regarding Bilal (the first muezzin), discuss the Hajj, and probably have a whole unit about contemporary Muslim reverts (Yusuf Islam, and Muslim African Americans) and their contributions towards Islam.

To emphasize the importance and sacred nature of marriage, i'd have a senior-level course on how Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) treated his wives... hmm what else. The zakaat unit would deal with corruption and bribery and why it's a sin in Islam to indulge in those practices.

All of the above would go hand in hand with the 'conventional' subjects as well - i.e., Chemistry, English, Geography, Math, Physics, etc etc. An option to take a third language (Spanish, French, etc.) would be highly encouraged, apart from Arabic and English.

This would be SOMEWHAT close to my opinion of a hypothetical "ideal" madrassah (not that i believe such a madrassah would actually ever exist at any time) - an institution not for rata-fication and rote learning, but one that truly explores what it means to live one's life by Islam.
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All of what you just mentioned has actually materialized and recognized by the board of education here in Toronto.

Faisal Bhai, Why not have it all in one institution provided that the educational curriculum caters for ALL academic and spiritual needs ? What if you could get all that for your children under one roof? Why split it if there is no need to, provided that the madrassah would offer the proper curriculum as outlined above?

And yes :hoonh: That’s “fun” for me :stuck_out_tongue: geek alert

CocoNut, i hope you know me better than to ever think i am trying to be deliberately rude by asking this query. i am simply wondering if you don’t mind my asking, what are the names of those schools? Do they exist under the public school board or the private one? Would you ever consider sending your children to those types of schools?

And if Toronto does have something similar to what i have outlined above, i think that’s absolutely fantastic. i would like to read more about it. i would also however like to see these types of madrassahs exist in our own Muslim countries especially in rural parts.

In an Islamic school do you expect a free and fair study of other religions? Will you go against the teachings of Quran?
Pls make it clear. (Meaning of hypothetical, I will exact later.)

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what are the names of those schools? Do they exist under the public school board or the private one? Would you ever consider sending your children to those types of schools?

And if Toronto does have something similar to what i have outlined above, i think that's absolutely fantastic. i would like to read more about it. i would also however like to see these types of madrassahs exist in our own Muslim countries especially in rural parts.
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The school belongs to the Islamic Foundation of Toronto recognized by the Toronto Board of Education. They are growing and in demand since there is a massive disapproval to accept homosexuality being taught in sex-ed classes in "norma" schools. Not only that, its a step in the right direction and are constantly striving to improve. They have topped over most schools the last time I read their annual report. Students are very bright and are good at phys'ed Masha'Allah. Even Toronto District School Board was impressed at the results and have been published. The teachers vary from all walks of life. The only thing I see that has been a problem is the culture being imposed since some of the teachers are very gung ho about it.

As for having this overseas, I believe it would have to be privatized in order to run efficiently. Thats a different topic in itself that never seems to materialize. One day insha'Allah :) In the meantime we need to help our own people by having a higher tolerance level even though we might dislike them. Our actions change their lives and values and the favor continues till we are all ONE.

How about this?

As for learning of other religions is concerned, the Holy Prophet :saw:'s dua was, “Allah protect from knowledge that does not benefit me.” (I read this Hadith in a authenctic book but can’t find a reference for it now. Maybe the wordings are different.)

Secondly, as stated in the Holy Quran,

So why study something that has no more to with a Muslim…

Unless of course you happen to follow in the footsteps of Ahmed Deedat who was also a scholar of the Bible…

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So why study something that has no more to with a Muslim...

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So that we can understand, refute, question and challenge other beliefs among other things.

Abu Hurairah (Radhiallahu anhu) narrated that the Prophet (Sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, **“It is part of the excellence of a person’s Islâm that he should discard that which is of no benefit to him either in this world or the Hereafter.” ** (Tirmidhi 67)

Sa’id ibn Arkam (Radhiallahu anhu) narrated: “I am not going to say anything but only that which Allâh’s Messenger (Sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) used to supplicate: ‘O Allâh, I seek refuge in You from incapacity, from sloth, from cowardice, from miserliness, decrepitude and from torment of the grave. O Allâh, grant to my soul the sense of righteousness and purify it, for You are the Best Purifier thereof. You are the Protecting friend thereof, and Guardian thereof. O Allâh, I seek refuge in You from the knowledge which does not benefit , from the heart that does not entertain the fear (of Allâh), from the soul that does not feel contented and the supplication that is not responded.’” (Muslim 6568)

Abu Hurairah (Radhiallahu anhu) narrated that Messenger of Allâh (Sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) used to say: “O Allâh, I seek refuge in You from four things: knowledge which does not profit, a heart which is not submissive, a soul which has an insatiable appetite, and a supplication which is not heard.” (Abu Dawud 1543)

Allahumma inna na’udhubika min ‘ilm la yanfa’
O Lord, protect us from knowledge which does not benefit!

Good question :k:

To be really short (and hopefully not offensive) the Jews and Catholics have already got this one down right. Take their model loosely and adapt it to Islam. The real problem is how you make these ideal schools accessible for all. They’d need some sort of massive subsidy program to allow poor/rural kids in.

coconut good to hear that u guys have something going in toronto, in chicago there are a number of such schools, the one i am most familiar with is called averroes academy, it is known for academic excellence and has done a great balance of religious as well as other subjects.