Anyone can see what a member Shamraz Khan (as well as others including at least one moderator, but not at this time to be discussed) has been posting or starting threads which have no value whatsoever except **promoting hatred for either Muslims or Islamic countries around the world.
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**Who is this person? and what does he really want to achieve?
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This member poses himself to be an atheist and yet all his posts and threads are against either Muslims or Islam.
Why?
I have almost never seen his posts directed towards any other religion except Islam or any country which is considered as a Muslim country as far as I can recall.
**This without any doubt makes this member Islam and Muslim hater.
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Just like advertising and promoting hatred against a specific religion should not be allowed, can someone look at this matter seriously and do something about this???
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
Since you have opened the thread you should have given the example of agenda driven threads and posts. You might consider this as agenda drives but its high time muslims did some soul searching as well. We need to discuss the issues which are affecting us on daily basis. It is a reality that the intolerance is increasing in our countries to unbearable levels.
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
Since you have opened the thread you should wave given the example of agenda driven threads and posts. You might consider this as agenda drives but its high time muslims did some souls searching as well. We need to discuss the issues which are affecting us on daily basis. It is a reality thy intolerance is increasing in our countries to unbearable levels.
No denying that everyone who belongs to any religion needs to do the soul searching. I do not think you have given any plausible excuse for so obvious act by this member. Sorry.
What I pointed out is the selective threads or posts against Muslims or Islam by this member.
This member has justified ridiculing Quran (that thread was taken off) but he has never ever talked about any religious books in negative way. Not that I want him to do so but I wonder why.
A false imposter atheist is all I see there. A largely selective Muslim or Islam hater is what is so obvious. I don't think you can refute this. :)
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
^ the member can reply for himself. He talks about Islam or Muslims as he is one himself.
Not really. This member has repeatedly has posed to be an atheist and promoting atheism.. Please refer the posts by this member in various sections and forums.
And as far as examples:
This member has been posting against KSA, then Qatar, then Iran and lately against Malaysia.
Fine. What about any other countries which are not considered "Islamic" around the world?
Who is this member fooling?
Like I said this behavior of selective bashing is simply agenda driven and is consistently allowed.
I seriously think there is a conscious act of promoting an agenda. And there is no sincere message to make people go for soul searching.
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
Probably there is more to complaint and its not just about posting against KSA or any other Muslim country. The way thread regarding Iran's new law moved to comments like Quran is crap says so much about such discussions and should be tackled seriously. (Shamraz didn't comment this and he might have disliked such comments).
Being team members, we have been told to be tolerant and provide opportunity to others to express their views in civilsed manners, but I don't think majority of us irrespective of our religious beliefs or having atheist views or having true liberal values would like that holy books are referred in this way. Don't believe in books, but giving such blunt and blanket statements doesn't meet the criteria of civilsed discussion.
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
In my view, almost everyone who posts threads in Pakistan and World Affairs sections has some agenda. So just picking one member is not right.
There are PMLN people who open threads praising their party and its policies. There are PTI guys with their threads. There are America-haters and their threads. There are Taliban apologists. etc.
Shamraz usually shows duplicity of such people. And his threads are mostly about Pakistan and Muslims because, well, it is a Pakistan forum; and Pakistan has huge religious extremism issue.
He usually does not show revulsion to Islamic fundamentals.
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
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I think tolerance hona chahye , aik doosrey k views ka ehtram hona chahye (politically, religiously) but when it comes to Islam ya against Muslims tou phr it should be tackled seriously.
Re: Consistent behavior of opening agenda driven threads
First of all, Eid Mubarak!
This a day of festivities, where we seek to create and promote harmony and let go of smaller tussles that keep us from coming together throughout the year.
Now on the topic, there is nothing wrong with a user highlighting a recurring event. Starting to judge someone's beliefs is a very slippery slope that we should all avoid. We never know today's skeptic may very well be tomorrow's Scholar and Aalim that inspires many because Guidance comes from Allah alone. It is Allah alone that sets the criteria, and judges people on the criteria.
Having said that, brother Diwana. Your highlighted point is valid, and it is required of all users engaged in any discussion to be mindful, and take all steps to ensure that the views being laid out do not offend other users who are actively participating in the discussion. This includes beliefs, and holy scriptures. Being a skeptic of a holy book is not a pass to ridicule it, because the others may still hold it in high regard. It would be of great benefit if we all revised our memory with the Forum Guidelines that are posted for guidance purposes. Mutual respect is a pre-requisite to creating and maintaining an atmosphere that invites others' points of view.
Please do not hesitate to provide feedback. It is the feedback of valued members like yourself that lets us discuss things, gauge our progress, and further tweak and improve the environment that we're hoping to maintain.
Lets try to hear each other out even if we may not completely agree. Most importantly, please report any posts that you deem are irresponsible, and you can rest assured that all reported activity is reviewed by team members and the most appropriate action is taken.
For any more questions, or comments on this, please contact one of the team members. The purpose of locking this thread at this point is not to shun anymore discussion on the point, but rather to bring about a closure in the light of above stated points. All users must respect others' beliefs, and holy scriptures. No exceptions.
