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What is this DA?
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not every riot is between hindu muslim....
but you can see the number of minor and major riots take place every year and 1000 riots between hindu and muslim is not a big deal...
every year near about ten riots takes place in our region..which is very peaceful indeed...
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Not every riot results in loss of life but loss of property is inevitably
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not every riot is between hindu muslim....
but you can see the number of minor and major riots take place every year and 1000 riots between hindu and muslim is not a big deal...
every year near about ten riots takes place in our region..which is very peaceful indeed...
How do you define riot as per this statistics?
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well in india, there are a dozen riots in every city when there is a bandh or hartaal. communal riots are what are relevant on this topic.
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How do you define riot as per this statistics?
riot is a conditio when police are forced to impose curfew....
And arson takes place and there is some destruction of property..some times associated with loss of life...
but that riot creates hatred between communities and disturbs communal harmony...
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i mean to say omg (shocking vala hansnay vala nhi)
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Well I thought U were talking about religious riots like the recent ones between tribals and illegal immigrant muslims from Bangladesh since this thread pertains to hindu muslim differences in relation Cong and ML. Why bring the overall combined crime-political-religious stats here into consideration. Rather off-topic IMO.
Anyways back to the topic. What was ML's policy proposal for betterment of minorities in the muslim majority provinces of British India which eventually separated? How were the religious sensitivities of the minority hindu community to be protected since they were a sizable minority in many districts where they formed almost upto 40-45% of the population. What were the hindu and congress reactions to these proposals ?
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Well I thought U were talking about religious riots like the recent ones between tribals and illegal immigrant muslims from Bangladesh since this thread pertains to hindu muslim differences in relation Cong and ML. Why bring the overall combined crime-political-religious stats here into consideration. Rather off-topic IMO. Anyways back to the topic. What was ML's policy proposal for betterment of minorities in the muslim majority provinces of British India which eventually separated? How were the religious sensitivities of the minority hindu community to be protected since they were a sizable minority in many districts where they formed almost upto 40-45% of the population. What were the hindu and congress reactions to these proposals ?
you remmber jinnah's 14 points :)
here are few:
All the people should be aware of their rights all the people have the freedom of religion freedom of sense.
All legislatures in the country and other elected bodies shall be constituted on the definite principle of adequate and effective representation of minorities in every province without reducing the majority in any province to a minority or even equality.
Full religious liberty, i.e. liberty of belief, worship and observance, propaganda, association and education, shall be guaranteed to all communities.
These demands were rejected by the Congress Party.
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I don't know why are our indian friends fixed with partition, get over it. They keep trying to portray India as a monolithic, state with abundance of wealth & knowledge, peace & harmony etc etc that was destroyed by muslim separatism while ignoring that unity of India as one administrative unit itself was a result of invaders and their rule.
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I don't know why are our indian friends fixed with partition, get over it. They keep trying to portray India as a monolithic, state with abundance of wealth & knowledge, peace & harmony etc etc that was destroyed by muslim separatism while ignoring that unity of India as one administrative unit itself was a result of invaders and their rule.
Firstly, this is a thread for discussing and learning the history of partition in the history subforum. The partition is a historical fact for both India and Pakistan which nobody is denying.
Secondly, the discussion is about congress and Muslim league, their ideas and differences of opinion. So in which part of the thread did U find India portrayed as "as a monolithic, state with abundance of wealth & knowledge, peace & harmony" ?
Thirdly, do U even have anything valuable to add to the discussion ?
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you remmber jinnah's 14 points :)
here are few:
All the people should be aware of their rights all the people have the freedom of religion freedom of sense.
All legislatures in the country and other elected bodies shall be constituted on the definite principle of adequate and effective representation of minorities in every province without reducing the majority in any province to a minority or even equality.
Full religious liberty, i.e. liberty of belief, worship and observance, propaganda, association and education, shall be guaranteed to all communities.
These demands were rejected by the Congress Party.
IMO, these 3 points seem to be rather satisfactory on the surface. So what was congress's objection to these 3 points ? Of course there r certain points in Jinnah's 14 points which seems unachievable or contradictory or atleast I did not understand them in context and I had pointed it out in the other thread.
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Firstly, this is a thread for discussing and learning the history of partition in the history subforum. The partition is a historical fact for both India and Pakistan which nobody is denying. Secondly, the discussion is about congress and Muslim league, their ideas and differences of opinion. So in which part of the thread did U find India portrayed as "as a monolithic, state with abundance of wealth & knowledge, peace & harmony" that was destroyed by muslim separatism? Thirdly, do U even have anything valuable to add to the discussion ?
You missed some part of what i said didn't you. SO what else are r trying to portray by dismissing the communal rights.
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Well I thought U were talking about religious riots like the recent ones between tribals and illegal immigrant muslims from Bangladesh since this thread pertains to hindu muslim differences in relation Cong and ML. Why bring the overall combined crime-political-religious stats here into consideration. Rather off-topic IMO.
Anyways back to the topic. **What was ML's policy proposal for betterment of minorities in the muslim majority provinces of British India which eventually separated? **How were the religious sensitivities of the minority hindu community to be protected since they were a sizable minority in many districts where they formed almost upto 40-45% of the population. What were the hindu and congress reactions to these proposals ?
Did ML got elected from the districts where Hindu were in sizable minority of 40-45%?
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IMO, these 3 points seem to be rather satisfactory on the surface. So what was congress's objection to these 3 points ? Of course there r certain points in Jinnah's 14 points which seems unachievable or contradictory or atleast I did not understand them in context and I had pointed it out in the other thread.
before we turn our attention to achievable aspects of Mr Jinah's 14 points, can someone explain why Congress took U-turn on separate electoral for Muslims and giving them 1/3 representation (as agreed by Congress in 1916 Lucknow pact) in Nehru Report which lead Mr Jinah to present his 14 points?
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You missed some part of what i said didn't you. SO what else are r trying to portray by dismissing the communal rights.
I don't know where in this thread U got the impression that India was portrayed "as a monolithic, state with abundance of wealth & knowledge, peace & harmony **that was destroyed by muslim separatism" ** as U put it. Just what communal rights am I dismissing ? Please don't be a mischief monger. If you have anything to say about the congress, ML and the history of partition, please contribute else I want nothing else to do with U and your illogical posts. I will not reply to any further inflammatory posts.
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Well I thought U were talking about religious riots like the recent ones between tribals and illegal immigrant muslims from Bangladesh since this thread pertains to hindu muslim differences in relation Cong and ML. Why bring the overall combined crime-political-religious stats here into consideration. Rather off-topic IMO. Anyways back to the topic. What was ML's policy proposal for betterment of minorities in the muslim majority provinces of British India which eventually separated? How were the religious sensitivities of the minority hindu community to be protected since they were a sizable minority in many districts where they formed almost upto 40-45% of the population. What were the hindu and congress reactions to these proposals ?
I was talking about hindu-muslim communal rights....
because at least 50% of reported riots are hindu-muslim communal riots....
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I was talking about hindu-muslim communal rights....
because at least 50% of reported riots are hindu-muslim communal riots....
seriously? is that so?
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before we turn our attention to achievable aspects of Mr Jinah's 14 points, can someone explain why Congress took U-turn on separate electoral for Muslims and giving them 1/3 representation (as agreed by Congress in 1916 Lucknow pact) in Nehru Report which lead Mr Jinah to present his 14 points?
Congress opposed separate electorate and 1/3 representation because:
Congress presented itself as a national party which considered everybody equal irrespective of social background or religion and
could not support identification of voters with a particular community.Also consider a scenario where a province had say between 0-25% muslim minority population. How do U give 1/3 representation in
such cases ? What about muslim dominated provinces? Did muslims get 1/3 representation here also ? How much representation
would the other minorities get in muslim dominated provinces. I think these issues were not properly tackled. If U take the whole
British India into consideration, as the majority community in most provinces, Hindus stood to lose from weighted minority
representation. Congress decided this was not a balanced and fair situation and opposed 1/3 representation.
IMO, ML and Jinnah should have pushed for proportional representation depending on the demographics of a province.