Re: Congress and Pakistan
vande mataram as a reason for partition is like saying a mosquito is a reason for making an atom bomb.
it is in sanskrit, and it is a song written in praise of the motherland. most indians don't even know the song.
religion is easy, one doesn't need to use a lot of logic to get followers. "muslim hai to muslim league mei aa" is mostly what did it. not jinnah, not iqbal.
Re: Congress and Pakistan
May be Vande Mataram was officially detested by Muslim league leaders. The leaders who might knew Hindi. If that was about shirk, Muslim leaders in congress like Molana Abul kalam Azad (who also wrote Tafseer e Quran) might have agitated against it.
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no 
you mean to say, muslims were ok with it, n this is all story tht muslims were hurted for considering hindi as national language n there was no conflict.
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and urdu and hindi are supposed to be mutually exclusive? about 80% of the vocab is shared.
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But not singing a song makes a person less patriotic?
vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
sujalaam suphlaam malayajashiitalaam
shasya shyaamalaam maataram
vande
sujalaam suphlaam malayajashiitalaam
shasya shyaamalaam maataram
vande maatram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
shubhra jyotsna pulakit yaaminim
phull kusumit drumdalshobhinim,
aaa aaa
shubhra jyotsna pulakit yaaminim
phull kusumit drumdalshobhinim,
suhaasini sumadhur bhaashhini
sukhdaam varadaam maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
sapta koti kanth kal-kal ninaad karaale
nisapta koti bhujaidhruta kharakaravaale
sapta koti kanth kal-kal ninaad karaale
nisapta koti bhujaidhruta kharakaravaale
able ken maa et bale
bahubal dhaarinim namaami taarinim
ripudalwaarinim maataram
vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
vande maataram vande maataram
aaa aaa aaa aaa
aaa aaa aaa aaa
aaa aaa aaa aaa
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Translation by Sri Aurobindo Ghosh
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Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.
Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands
And seventy million voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call Mother and Lord!
Though who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foeman drove
Back from plain and Sea
And shook herself free.
Re: Congress and Pakistan
and lot of hindi speaking peoples do not distinguish between Jalil and Zalil:hehe:
Re: Congress and Pakistan
vande mataram as a reason for partition is like saying a mosquito is a reason for making an atom bomb.
it is in sanskrit, and it is a song written in praise of the motherland. most indians don't even know the song.
religion is easy, one doesn't need to use a lot of logic to get followers. "muslim hai to muslim league mei aa" is mostly what did it. not jinnah, not iqbal.
these small small issues were showing muslims n hindus cant live togather, many muslim leaders were part of congress. but yes religion really divided ppl of sub continent
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Its just not Hindi that was detested in Pakistan. Many local languages also faced mortal blow 
I 100% agree that Language is not connected to religion
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haha.. yeh hindi walay, especially the eastern dialects have no idea of what to do with their Zs. but there are lots of pakistanis in the same boat outside of the big cities.
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these small small issues were showing muslims n hindus cant live togather, many muslim leaders were part of congress. but yes religion really divided ppl of sub continent
Religion itself not divided people. people were living in harmony for centuries. It was using religion as a tool which divided people.
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these small small issues were showing muslims n hindus cant live togather, many muslim leaders were part of congress. but yes religion really divided ppl of sub continent
imho, this is a very shortsighted point of view. brits used divide and rule profusely, but to completely give in to this, and not even remember anything from before their colonization - is a big shame.
what if tomorrow someone comes and says ahmedis (who supported pakistan) and the rest of pakistanis can't live together, will you give them a new country?
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DA i live in india......
Follower of both the religion have very good personal relations with follower of other religion...
But when they think about other follower of rival religion as a group they can not stop hating each other...:D
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But not singing a song makes a person less patriotic?
vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram sujalaam suphlaam malayajashiitalaam shasya shyaamalaam maataram vande sujalaam suphlaam malayajashiitalaam shasya shyaamalaam maataram vande maatram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram shubhra jyotsna pulakit yaaminim phull kusumit drumdalshobhinim, aaa aaa shubhra jyotsna pulakit yaaminim phull kusumit drumdalshobhinim, suhaasini sumadhur bhaashhini sukhdaam varadaam maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram sapta koti kanth kal-kal ninaad karaale nisapta koti bhujaidhruta kharakaravaale sapta koti kanth kal-kal ninaad karaale nisapta koti bhujaidhruta kharakaravaale able ken maa et bale bahubal dhaarinim namaami taarinim ripudalwaarinim maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram vande maataram aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa aaa ———————————— Translation by Sri Aurobindo Ghosh ———————————— Mother, I bow to thee! Rich with thy hurrying streams, bright with orchard gleams, Cool with thy winds of delight, Dark fields waving Mother of might, Mother free. Glory of moonlight dreams, Over thy branches and lordly streams, Clad in thy blossoming trees, Mother, giver of ease Laughing low and sweet! Mother I kiss thy feet, Speaker sweet and low! Mother, to thee I bow. Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands And seventy million voices roar Thy dreadful name from shore to shore? With many strengths who art mighty and stored, To thee I call Mother and Lord! Though who savest, arise and save! To her I cry who ever her foeman drove Back from plain and Sea And shook herself free.
What do you mean by not singing a song makes a person less patriotic?
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Religion itself not divided people. people were living in harmony for centuries. It was using religion as a tool which divided people.
exactly i mean to say this, ppl were actually creating issues using different methods like hindus were against slaughter of cow n muslims were not ready to accept bande matarm
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DA i live in india......
Follower of both the religion have very good personal relations with follower of other religion...
But when they think about other follower of rival religion as a group they can not stop hating each other...:D
ninja i m not talking about present day, its about 1947
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What do you mean by not singing a song makes a person less patriotic?
That was a question bro....
lot of person who sang Vande Mataram never hesitated to rob mother land of its honor....
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ok so wht you think partition, why partition happened, if these points are to be over looked 
thn y muslims n hindus wanted live separate, why were they not ready to share the country
Re: Congress and Pakistan
one word - paranoia.
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That was a question bro....
lot of person who sang Vande Mataram never hesitated to rob mother land of its honor....
thats just a song written by a human. How about people writing 'haza min fazl e Rabbi - This is from my Lord' on the buildings made from black money?
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ninja i m not talking about present day, its about 1947
no difference Da...
We still have Hindu-Muslim riots......thousands of riot every year....