Confused

Im at a loss and don’t know what to do:( , I discovered that in my “potential husband to be family” my intended future brother in law in got married. No prob with that he got married to a gori no prob with that as well as I come from a family that have many different cultures in it.

The problem is and It keeps playing on my mind is that my fiancé never mentioned 2 me even wats going on even though I have known him for around 7 years so as u can imagine 2 me it was a total shock 2 me.

Then I hear that they met on the internet and she flies of to pak to marry him, apparently she revereted many years ago. But when I had a conversation with her she did not seem 2 know nothing about islam for someone who had reverted a few years back. Inshallah I hope 2 guide her as best as I can.

But my fiancé keeps on comparing me to her :grumpy: and for what bloody reason I have no idea, to me she seems like is the token gori, especially in pak these ppl behave like they have never seen one. They are obsessed by her.

They are a family of pathans and what I thort were strict but they don’t bat an eyelid wen they let her wear clothes clothes which don’t cover her self up properly.

Should I say something and let them her know that she should not be parading round in clothes like this especially in pak. Or should I stay silent as its her husband duty to say something?

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could you take all that thing out please :chai:

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Best for you to just let her live her life as she wants to. Your brother in law married her, not you.

:)

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How about just leaving her alone and minding your own business instead of worrying about what she is wearing, doing, etc.? If you get lucky, maybe she and your brother-in-law will move back to the west and then you won't have to worry about what she's doing all of the time.

By the way, I wouldn't use a phone conversation to judge her knowledge of Islam, and it is always possible that she is more knowledgable than you, and that you are confusing culture with Islam. Many converts tend to be very knowledgable, and don't take the decision to convert lightly.

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Why are you policing anyone else?

Please leave her and her husband alone to do whatever they want. They have every right to live thier lives the way they want.

You should also in clear words (no emotional scene) TELL (not ask) your fiance to stop comparing the both of you because it hurts your feelings.

As for the rest, you sound.... errrr.. immature and jealous of the attention she is getting. Leave the issue alone and things will get more comfortable for you without putting her down.

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It depends sister, it depends on alot of things:

  1. Did your brother in law or fiance requested you to teach her about Islam or you are doing it on your own ?

  2. Do you have a good interaction with her in daily life, like discussions on other matters in life, or you JUST talk to her when you want to correct her faults ?

  3. Does she go around in that dress infront of the children or any of your close relatives, like little brother...etc ?

  4. Has she ever tried to guid you or correct you interms of anything which according to her "you were doing wrong", If so, did you respect her advice by sharing views or just ignored it ?

  5. Do you want to guide her because you feel bad when your fiance compares you with her, or you sincerely want to make her a good muslim ? ( Not trying to judge you but it is quite natural that we might feel jealous from anyone as a result of which we might take any emotional step)

  6. From your daily practice, do people in your family think that you are religious ? What do you feel she thinks about you in general ? (Just want to know how you feel from her behaviour and interaction with you)

If you kindly answer me the above questions, I would be able to give my humble opinion on the matter more easily.

Thanks

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i know that we should help guide ppl in the right path as thats what Allah would like...but on the other hand if ur hubby or ur susral to be didn't tell u abt her.....then maybe its best for them to let them find out abt her on their own...maybe u can give them hints like this is how gori's here do....but don't try to make it seem to them that oh she is jealous or whatever (although i know u may not be jealous but ppl like assuming things esp in PK)

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It depends sister, it depends on alot of things:

  1. Did your brother in law or fiance requested you to teach her about Islam or you are doing it on your own ?

  2. Do you have a good interaction with her in daily life, like discussions on other matters in life, or you JUST talk to her when you want to correct her faults ?

  3. Does she go around in that dress infront of the children or any of your close relatives, like little brother...etc ?

  4. Has she ever tried to guid you or correct you interms of anything which according to her "you were doing wrong", If so, did you respect her advice by sharing views or just ignored it ?

  5. Do you want to guide her because you feel bad when your fiance compares you with her, or you sincerely want to make her a good muslim ? ( Not trying to judge you but it is quite natural that we might feel jealous from anyone as a result of which we might take any emotional step)

  6. From your daily practice, do people in your family think that you are religious ? What do you feel she thinks about you in general ? (Just want to know how you feel from her behaviour and interaction with you)

If you kindly answer me the above questions, I would be able to give my humble opinion on the matter more easily.

Thanks

1. Well brother my fiance has requested to me that i teach her about islam,which im happy 2 do so.

2. I have hardly any interaction with her wenever i have tried 2 speak with her there never seems to be an appropriate time. And i most certainly dont wanna come across to her that im there 2 just judge her from her actions.Im not that kinda person.

3.She has not met my family yet, but in front of my fiance and his other brother she does not dress appropriate and this was whilst she was staying in pak.

4. She has not tried to give me ny advice or nything at such she is not even interested in speaking to me. But if she were to give me ny advice im open to any kind of critisism good or bad.

5. Yes i want to guide her as i sincerely care 4 her.For what reason my fiance compares me to her i have no idea but she can do no wrong in their eyes. Mayb they just cant get over the fact that they have a gori in there family which i dont c as being as a big deal.But 4 them a gori coming 2 pak and marrying there i guess is a big deal 4 them.

**6. **From my daily practice i dont feel like im religious i mean i do my salaah etc. But i dont see that as being religious i mean wat is termed religious now a days nyway. I have no idea what she thinks of me or how she feels about me, perhaps she is just enjoying the attention that she is getting at the moment as she is the only female in the household,mayb she feels threatened by me as then she wont be the only female really i have no clue as to wat it could be.

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Hmm..Kindly forget about teaching Islam at least for 2 months. First try to develop a friendship with her, but not at the cost of doing anything against your beliefs.

Just try to know common interests and be polite with her even if she is rude. Just consistantly try to come close to her, but with wisdom, not in a way that she might think that you are after her for some unknown reasons.

If she asks you to do anything against your beliefs, say sorry politely and humbly and tell her that your beliefs doesnt allow you to do anything like that.

Try to find out common spare time with her, even if you had to sacrifice any of your time for her. Ask her to go out with you for shopping or to whichever place she likes to go with you.

Offer her an ice cream or anything she wants to eat and initiate to pay the money. Forget about sharing beliefs for at least two months and let her judge your personality after her interaction with you.

Try to share common interests, like favourite book, writer, poetry, clothes, shoes, hobbies.....etc. Why am I saying all this ?? because there is not effect of any sharing of beliefs unless you dont have a good place in anyone's heart. And for that one needs to give alot of sacrifices for the sake of Allah.

As I mentioned above sacrifice of time, money, showing patience and sincerity from heart and soul. This mission is not that easy, but its reward is great in front of Allah (we humans can't even imagine)

Just request your fiance and his other brother (politely and humbly), to kindly keep their gaze low, as this is ordered very clearly to a muslim man in *Surah Noor (Ayat number 30). *

Just don't say ANYTHING to the women, only for a month or so, because she is not yet clearly aware of the truth. Use "Hikmat" in your dealing with her. You and your closest friend can do a kind of acting and exchange dialogue in front of her.

For example. When that women is around your sister/friend might ask you, " Can I wear my sari or other dress in that function " And you can reply " Please don't wear it as you know those dresses are revealing and people consider it very bad to wear them " Try to be natural, honest and sincere so that it might not sound that you are actually making fun of the other women.

Ok, go to her and ask her for an advice related to any thing like health, fitness, how to deal with stress or anything else. Be a good listener. Ask about her past in her country. Show her that you are really interest to know about her.

Even if you have to ask infront of people, do it!. Let her give you her advice even if it is in the form of criticizm. Never feel insulted even if she is trying to insult you, as you are trying to develop a bond with her for the love of Allah. And believe me it requires alot of sacrifices of ego and dignity.

Just remember that your dignity would be raised infront of Allah (which matters the most) This would inshAllah give you alot of patience. Also pray to Allah for strength and patience as it is not a very easy task

All that attraction is temporary. After few months or so, she would be like a normal family member to them. Don't be disturbed by the comments of your fiance, just concentrate in developing your character which would automatically put a good reputation of you in the hearts of your family. Remember the Quranic verse. Wa tuizzu mantashahu wa tu zillu mantash. Respect and disrespect is in the power of Allah.

Just work very hard. Do all kinds of jobs in the house. Make your whole family dependent on you in every way. Don't hesitate to take extra burden on yourself. Wash others clothes if you have time. Just think of what good you can give to each member of your family and how you can make their life comfortable in every possible way, to your best ability.

Forget about expecting anything good from anyone. Give minor gifts to the youngers ones. Respect and serve the elder one and always be ready to help anyone who need any kind of help.

Don't get upset even if they don't appreciate your efforts. They would HAVE to appreciate and miss you when after a 6 months or so you are away from them even for a couple of day, due to any reason.

Remember. Just keep your heart clean from anything bad only for the love of Allah. Be sincere with everyone. Be positive and deal with her like you know how our Prophet (Saw) delt with even his worst enemies.

Be polite and gentle. Offer namaz regularly. Offer help whenever she needs help. NEVER ask her of any help. Never be dependent on her in anyway , (except the advice part I told you, which is to bring her closer to you. If you think she is too proud, than you might only request her to share her past instead of asking an advice).

Give her full respect and importance, and do your job to your level best. Never sit idle or do anything useless, always do something that is useful to you or any single member of your family in anyway.

YOu see the respect she is getting is very temporary, it would fade away with time. BUT the respect which you earn NEVER fades away, it is always alive in the hearts of people, but it need ALOT of patience, dedication, strong will, sincerity for the love of Allah, positive thinking, hard working and passion.

Sorry sister for a very long post, but I tried to keep it as short as I can. In the end I would like to say, that if your follow the life, sunnah and teachings of the Prophet (saw) and develop a strong relation with Allah, the whole family would be in your control. BUT your intentions should always be happiness of ALLAH (swt) NOT geting respect or power.

I sincerely hope best of luck for you and kindly forgive me if you don't find useful anything I said here. I just tried my level best with my limited knowledge.

Allah knows BEST!

MAy Allah bless you and your family with all the blessings of this life and hereafter.

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Nice post submission.

Noorie, i would suggest teaching her by example. You dont have to sit and preach by words. Instead preach through your own actions. Your job will be much easier that way. Also, abt everyone else giving her extra attention, like submission said, that will fade with time.

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quote=Noorah;4897985]Im at a loss and don’t know what to do:( , I discovered that in my “potential husband to be family” my intended future brother in law in got married. No prob with that he got married to a gori no prob with that as well as I come from a family that have many different cultures in it.

The problem is and It keeps playing on my mind is that my fiancé never mentioned 2 me even wats going on even though I have known him for around 7 years so as u can imagine 2 me it was a total shock 2 me.

Then I hear that they met on the internet and she flies of to pak to marry him, apparently she revereted many years ago. But when I had a conversation with her she did not seem 2 know nothing about islam for someone who had reverted a few years back. Inshallah I hope 2 guide her as best as I can.

But my fiancé keeps on comparing me to her :grumpy: and for what bloody reason I have no idea, to me she seems like is the token gori, especially in pak these ppl behave like they have never seen one. They are obsessed by her.

They are a family of pathans and what I thort were strict but they don’t bat an eyelid wen they let her wear clothes clothes which don’t cover her self up properly.

Should I say something and let them her know that she should not be parading round in clothes like this especially in pak. Or should I stay silent as its her husband duty to say something?
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I didnt get your first paragraph, could u clarify what u mean by u and your fiance r or aren’t relatives.?
ANyway…for the second part…keep your nose out of their business..becuz it maintains your respect.You can have an opinion, but you cannot judge others as Allah is the Ultimate Judge.You dont know what is in there hearts, so it is best for you to maintain your self respect and say nothing.:)You have been smart enough to be doing this for a while, dont let emotions get the best out of you.:slight_smile:

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Well said sister. Actually, it is a slow process, and needs alot of time, specially for someone who has come from a totally different family, back ground, religon and country. We can't expect them to adopt something which might be totally opposite to something with which she has grown up with and spent all her life with.

@Noorie sister, after you feel you have been able to develop a good friendship with her, start the religious part with care. Request her to share with you her feelings for ISlam. What new did she learn. Be a good listener and lend your ear to whatever she has to share. Try to understand her from her comments about ISlamic way of life.

Deal with her sensitively and with alot of care, as those people who come from west to east, or those who leave their past and chose to live in a totally different environment are very sensitive about their respect and dignity. They are like a very delicate glass which might break anytime if not handled with care. Any minor wrong step can ruin the whole relationship with you. She might repent her decision of coming here.

Pray to Allah to help you and take every step with "Hikmat" by conveying the message indirectly. Never point out "ANY" mistake directly to her or infront of everyone, even if she points out your mistakes infront of people. Always try to use indirect way of conveying your message by giving a general example.

NEVER ever mention any of her bad habbits to anyone in the family as your intentions might be good for her, but those "words of yours" might reach her in modified form (with mirch masala) and it can ruin all the efforts you made in the past for developing a friendship with her. After that it might be very difficult to re-build your relationship with her, it might even take more than a year.

May Allah help you in your sincere and honest aim.