confused

“Allaah often lies and does mistakes.” (USOOL-E-KAAFI, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol 1).

“Allah has the Quality of ‘Badaa’.” (Usul Kafi- Babul bad’aa - Al- Kafi Vol- 1 -P283 India Ed.)

“We (shias) do not worship such a God who gives authority to rascals like Yazid, Mu’awiyyah and Uthmaan.” (Kashful Asraar - 107 - Khomeni..)

“The Imams posses all the knowledge granted to angels, prophets and messengers.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.255)

"The Imams know when they will die, and they do not die except by their choice. " (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.258)

“The Imaams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future, and nothing is concealed from them.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.260)

"The Imams have knowledge of all the revealed books, regardless of the languages in which they were revealed. " (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.260)

"No one complied the Qur’ân completely except the Imams, and they encompass all of its knowledge. " (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.227)

“The person who says that the present Quran is complete is a liar because the “complete Quran” was compiled by Hazrat Ali” (Fasl-ul-khitaab fee tahreef kitaab rab-ul- arbab, page #4, Noori Tibri).

“The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses).” (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).

“When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran.” (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi).

“Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.231)

“When the Imams’ time comes, they will rule in accordance with the ruling of the Prophet David and his dynasty. These Imams will not need to ask for presentation of evidence before passing their judgements.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.397)

“There is not a single truth possessed by a people saved that which originated with the Imams, and everything which did not proceed from them is false.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.399)

“All of the earth belongs to the Imams.” (Al- Kulaini. AL- KAAFI, p.407)

“Neither we believe the Allah nor the Prophet of the God whose khalifah is Abu Bakr.” (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #278).

“All Prophets are beggar at the doorstep of Ali.” (khalqat-e-norania, page #201, Talib Husain karpalwi).

“These shia says Ali said…I am the first and I am the last. I am the manifest and I am the hidden and I am the heir of earth.” (Rijaal Kashsi . 138. India Print.)

“Shias say that the Imaams are the face of Allaah,” (Usul- e-Kaafi -83.)

Are these quotes real or are they taken out of context? I dont know how easy it is to get these books but I was wondering if there really are muslims out there who belive that Quran isnt complete?

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As far as i know Al-Kafi is not the most authenticated of Shia books.

Some of the trusted Shia books are:
- Nahjul Balagha
-Sahifa-e-Sajjadia
-Nahajul Asrar etc

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Despite the Sunni brothers who believe they have some authentic books, Shi’a believe that only Quran is all-authentic, and all the traditions attributed to prophet and Imams, are subject to check with well- understood concepts in Quran.

^^ source: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/newindex.html

read the whole chapter 8 for both shia and sunni believes about the completeness of quran. (also the tradtions from al-Bukhari, Muslim, al-Hakim mentioned above)

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its a hadith book and we don't consider hadith books to be 100 % authentic..anything that goes against Quran is totally rejected..obviously some of the hadith posted here don't make sense..if you wanna know what shias believe in then visit shia websites..not some bast@ard wahabi website

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How did you conclude that about Sunni brotheran? Do you know how Imam Bukhari differentiated between Zaeef and Ahsan Hadeeth besides the authenticity of the narrator?

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The lady Zakaria kept on repeating during different majlises I attended this Muharrram.

"Throw out any hadeeths that contradict the Quran."

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common sense :k:

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~Tikhi Jalebi~

We need your confusion and doubt free, conclusive comments at the end of this debate.
If you see the confusion is not gone at the end of debate, the debate is useless.

or we can simply say you mentioned a tricky title to call people in to see what in the thread.

inuit

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purpose served. Thread closed