i belong to a shia family and from childhood iam listening shia sunni conflicts.i want to ask sunni peolple that what actually they feel for shiaism…as we all believe in one God and his Prophet P.B.U.H..Then why is this so that they both are very different..as far as i know sunni thinks that celebrating moharram is a sin..why do they think like that..if sunni believe in Prophet P.B.U.H then why they do not have love for Prophets.P.B.U.H grandsons..the concepts that sunni have that we believe that Hazart Ali is more than Prophet.they are wrong we shias have no such believe..it is very long urguement..i want to know from u all that what are the misconcepts about us..
zari the point is nobody wants him or her to be called wrong ,and sunni and shia people argue for that even giving illogical and pointless comments which does not benefit Islam in any way , are you getting I mean those comment does not give a benefit of a penny to Islam's name but it gives a bad name to Muslim people , The sunni and shia people point fingers on each other and it goes on like a never ending process , go on with the belief what you believe , what you think is right , don't get disturb because of sombody's comment , but never stop thinking about everything.
inquilab what u said is just not wrong at all but zari i mean no offense here when i talk about shiaas..i am not from shiaa family and also dont belive on sinni either but what shiia ppl usually do its not the righteous thing to do at all !!! i have seen celebrating MUHARRUM in pakistan and i was stunned when i first saw ppl kissing the Ass of the horse !! wats that supose to mean??? is there any logical anser of it???? i belive there isnt ..its just the as it is . i wa born in saudiarabia and yes have lived all my life over there..over there i never came acroos anything like SHIYAAA AND SUNNI . what i learned and know that v r only one and only one muslims , there is nothing to belive on except what QURAN and HADITH say. thats the really muslims are and there aint any thing! !!!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
Baba
Take your wahabiyya beliefs and you know what you can do with it!
Standard line of the Wahabis:
1) Wahabis believe in No Sect!
Really? tell me on whose teachings this wahabi creed is based on?
Not on any of the 4 sunni imams.
They took Imam Hanbali and superimposed Ibn Tamiyya's writings/teachings on to it. RESULT: They have done a bang up job in fooling the muslims.
2) Wahabis believe in quran & hadiths!
Really? when was the last time you saw a wahabi studying the quran.
To study quran is bida'h! Check out their position on quran khawni, khattams, milad un nabi, etc.
That leaves the hadiths! Wahabis follow the hadiths & teachings of Ibn Tamiyya & their Abdul Wahab - the most extremist dogma.
Baba,
now you may go and 'Kiss the Ass of a Horse"!
hey face up u didnt have to get that much highper or turn to coal!!! just face the facts and y do u always pick on WAHABIS ...its has nothing to do with wahabis !!!!!
if u guys really thinkt that ur SHIAA thinggy is that much better then y u guys always get out of ur mind when somebody talk about the KISSING ON THE AAS OF HORSE!!! u guys should b proud of it any how!!!! IF u guys think is what u think is much better then SHIAAAAS!!!!!
b kool u!!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
...... and as u r talking about this milaad and other stuff thats just the way our paki society iss and we just cannot stop it until every body agrees on it!!!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
Baba
You just don't get it, do you? As you put it
"about this milaad and other stuff". If there is anything wrong in the way the faith is practised then the remedial edict will also come from Ahl as sunnah jamaat and NOT from any wahabis! The wahabis are NOT part of Ahl as sunnah Jamaat!
It is a Fard of every muslim to expose the Wahabis who are the enemies of Islam. So, I am just doing Fard as per the edict of Ahl as Sunnah Jamaat. I refuse to eat together with you; pray together with you; or have any social or business association with you!
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**Baba
You just don't get it, do you? As you put it
"about this milaad and other stuff". If there is anything wrong in the way the faith is practised then the remedial edict will also come from Ahl as sunnah jamaat and NOT from any wahabis! The wahabis are NOT part of Ahl as sunnah Jamaat!
It is a Fard of every muslim to expose the Wahabis who are the enemies of Islam. So, I am just doing Fard as per the edict of Ahl as Sunnah Jamaat. I refuse to eat together with you; pray together with you; or have any social or business association with you!**
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hey FU what kind a rubish talk r u doing ...which just dont make sense at all!!!! u dont even know what and y u r arguing about wahabis ,and u have no logical reason to prove it either ...all ur nonsense prove that u r just against wahabis and this the only way u got to get ur GHUUBAAAR out of ur mind and heart!!!!!
*IF V R WAHABIS...SO THEN V R REALLY PROUD OF IT!!!!! at least v dont do those shirk stuff like u do guys do .v do what v belive in and what v suppose to believe in . there is nothing except quran and hadith!!!! *
u said u refuse to eat,pray and do social business with usss...so pagal kaheen key u dont get it ...thats what v suppose to do with shirk ppl like u!!!!! but v will not cuz our beliefs are much much better then urs..(do u guys even have any beliefs???)
~change ur ghalut fittrut mind!!!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
Salam,
I was just wondering if there is a watch for the language used here. Why do we allow illeterate people like babjee to speak out weird stuff here. I am 50 years old and a hafiz of Quran and finds it terrible to see these weird remarks by babapeerjee. U need to check your language please.
Readers should observe that Wahabis are the real fitna. They cannot even control their temper.
Astaghfir-Allah.
Muslim786
salam muslimjeeee!!!
im sorry if i offensed any body here with my language using but i think im not the only one around who use this kind a language here!!!!!!!!
and how can v control our temper when there r ppl talking rubishly about islam and making assumption out of nowhere!!!!
remember one think v r not the one who r spreading FITNAA here but u ppl r whose minds are locked away cuz of ur kufr and refuse to do the righteous thing and to refuse to accept it!!!!
v have already explained that v dont call ourself WAHABI ..u guys do , v simply believe on one god , on his one book and on hadith !!!
and if that really bother u a lot then go and bow the graves and keep continue ur kuffr as u do!!!!!
khudahafiz!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
We (ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa)NEVER BOW to anty grave. We only consider the aulias ( friends of Allah) like data gunj baksh, Shah Latif, etc as very pious and close to Allah. Jawan you are just a kid. I'd recommend u ask any of your old family members how Islam came to the subcontinent. It is because of the great teachings of these aulias that Hindus and Sikhs accepted Islam in large number.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Babajee,
I guess you need to grow up. You are still alittle kid. I am a hanafi muslim but whenever i go to medina i say assalam-o-alekum ya rasoolallah because it is in accordance with the verse of quran about "saying salam to Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and his family".
It is not worshipping him or anything.
Here is a very clear logic:
"A scholar from Egypt came to Saudi Arabia and presented King Fahad the Holy Quran wrapped in a LEATHER CASE. King Fahad kissed the leather case in which the Quran was wrapped. The Egyptian scholar from Jama-Al-Azhar then asked Fahad : Why did u kiss the leather caes, its made up of animal skin which is najis (dirty). The King replied: Well I intended to kiss the QURAN INSIDE the leather caes. The Egyptian scholar replied: I feel sorry for you Oh King Fahad because you Wahabis have double-standards. If you can KISS the leather case while focussing on the Holy Quran inside, Why do u object us when we try to KISS the grave of QURAN'S SAVIOUR( Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.). The weirdo King Fahad had no answer."
muslim jeee!!!
who is kissing the the leather case and y ????
for ur kind information v have only kissed the grave of our beloved prophet(pbh) not any memeber of our family aur what u call that DATTA DARBAR etc.
v have nothing to with all these things!!!
u guys just keep on arguing on same thing instead og giving and telling us about that y u guys kiss the a** of horse and did this give u relief for ur self!!!???
well as u r really grownup i would like to have some information on it as well!!! hope u can make us understand a thinngy about ur bowing grave and going on mazaar and prying over there for the 4giveness!!!!sheesh
~may god 4give us!!!
*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*
babajee,
I guess here is a misunderstanding. Are u wahabi or a Muslim from ahle-sunnah wal jamaa (commonly known as sunni). We (sunnis) kiss the grave of our beloved prophet (s.a.w) and wahabis hit us with stick when we try to kiss his grave in medina.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Salam brothers and sisters,
We are muslims and thats all we should care about. *It is the fitna of Wahabis (talibans, sipah sahaba and so on) that has divided Muslims among sects. These fanatics are brutal and they dont listen. Jawan is an example of those people. These wahabis get paid to divide Muslims and to divide ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat. The true aqeeda (concept) of ahle-sunnah wal jamaat is to be polite and courteous to every muslim (no matter what sect that muslim belong to , be him be maliki, shia, sufi, hanbali, hanafi, shafaee) *.
The wahabis believe that anybody who disagree with them , they should kill him/her. They do not listen. The wahabis belonging to Sipah Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi even said that if u kill a shia or hanafi ahle-sunnah wal jamaat( from tableeghee jamaat or sunni tehreek), then these wahabis say that u can go to heaven. As if they are the owners of heaven. The wahabis and Saudi Govt pay millions of Saudi Riyals to these agents to kill innocent Muslims (Killing of 70 shai doctors and 23 Ahle-sunnah sunni ulema by Sipah Sahaba is a clear witness).
The wahabis whole purpose is to create misunderstanding and hate among Muslims.
May Allah have mercy on us and may Allah protect our new generation from the fitna of Wahabis.
Labbaik Ya-rasool-allah (s.a.w).
Wassalam,
Muslim786