And the thing about Raja Dahir and MBQ: I dont know how true our history is, but long time ago, I went to Sukhhar with few friends of mine and locals had a different view of Dahir/MBQ story.
They said that a ship full of widowed and orphan kids came to Sindh, asking Dahir to save them from Hajjaj. Dahir gave them panah. Hajjaj, when he heard that news, sent MBQ to bring those people back. That was the start of the fight. According to locals of Sukhkhar (all Muslims), Dahir was the hero.
In fact they showed us the island in indus river which is known as Island of 7 virgins (or something like that). Story is that the island has graves of 7 women who committed suicide when MBQ tried to take them back. They preferred to die than to go back with him.
have u ever heard what sikh say about pashtun men
especially about their dressing..
so we can not believe what non muslims say about muslims....
even book like Divine comedy insulted islam.....
Sukkur- Rohri are twin cities, Rohri is believed to be ‘Arod’ of 8th Century. So the story famous in locals may have some basis. Probably, Chach Nama (famous history book in Sindhi) also refers to some events that MBQ was murdered due to some conspricy involving Raja Dahir’s family women, who were taken as slave to Iraq.
The point is history is a distorted material and if you look at it without objectivity, its going to deviate more from the facts.
Ninja its all about reactions. We hear / read many things against Hindus and Sikhs in our history. Its a perception developed over the period on both the sides.
:k: Well said, we should not accept everything said / propogated blindly. We should try to analyse things with open mind regardless of being biased.
We should try to see a step ahead of a particular event to know the impact parties involved wanted to achieve.
If we look at Mehmood Ghaznavi & Somnath matter, whether destroying idols by Ghaznavi ended all the evils related to such practices. Whether it by anyway helped the locals to review and rectify their practices.
islam in sub continent is result of efforts of sufis as well as protection to islam by muslim kings even though they were not devoted islamic warriors even if their greed forced them to attack and rule india but that created an environment which helped easy conversion of masses to islam....
islam in sub continent is result of efforts of sufis as well as protection to islam by muslim kings even though they were not devoted islamic warriors even if their greed forced them to attack and rule india but that created an environment which helped easy conversion of masses to islam....
Ninja I've read in history books (written by Muslim historians) that one of the bad practice of Ummayad period (period when Sindh & Spain were conquered) that was ended by Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz was that new converted Muslims have to pay Jizya (tax) because it was believed by the rulers that people convert to save them from taxes which were high for non-muslims. This proves that these rulers had no interest for spreading the Islam. All what they were concerned was their status quo.
Any ruler or invader had nothing to do with the spread of Islam in India. Islam is in China also, its in Malaysia and Indonesia also. How many times we had to invade those countries to spread islam? In fact if anything, these rulers hurt Islam in the Sub Continent. The so many forms and variations of Islams that you can find in one country of Hindustan (pre-partition) is probably not even found in the rest of whole Islamic world. Its because from Akbar to Bahadur Shah, everybody influenced (read it: hurt) Islam in their own personal way.
I also wonder when we talk about Alexendra and Porus, we consider Porus a hero fighting for his homeland and when it comes to Prithvi Raaj- Ghori issue, we accept negative portrayal of Prithvi. Kia ye khula tazaad nahin
Add to the fact that now when Afghani's (Talibans) bomb our cities and kill our soldiers, we call them enemies - but when they did the same to some non-muslims many centuries ago, we see it as a good thing.
But why these Afghanis always in tussle with the neighbor countries. A long history of intruders from north to subcontinenet.. Then came Russia-America cold war and war field was again Afghanistan. Then came 911 and the links again went to Afghanistan? I can't understand psyche of Afghan warriors?
PS: When fighting against Russia, Afghanis were mujahideen for US (with a respective / positive view towards Jehad) and now after 911 jehad= terrorism... Kia yeh khulla tazaad nahin hai?
Can an independent reader of history believe that Hajjaj was that much concerned about the call of a woman, when we know that he was the right hand of those who attacked Makkah and Medina where Muslim women were raped.
Don't we know that he is the man who throwned stones on Kaaba through Manjaneeq during Haj period (fighting during Zilhaj was considered a biggest sin even in pre- Islamic period). Hajjaj was the one for whom Hazrat Umar Bin Abdul Aziz (RA) said that only Hajjaj can be presented in a competition against all the evil and vices of the world.
And yet the fact are that when word came to him of these muslim women being held, he raised and funded an army and gave it to MBQ and dispatched him to Sindh.
^ Maybe because Dair's act challenged his ego. It had less to do with saving those women, and more to do with the challenge his mardaangi got from Dahir
And yet the fact are that when word came to him of these muslim women being held, he raised and funded an army and gave it to MBQ and dispatched him to Sindh.
That is the thing that needs to be tested through sources other than the popular books which also forms the basis of history being taught in schools / colleges.
Hajjaj was the right hand for those who even didn't spare women of Makkah an Medina and all of a sudden a woman's call made them so ghairatmand that they started a military campaign.
We need to consider that history is beyond emotions depicted by writers like Nasim Hijazi, Ilyas Sitapuri, Khan Asif in their historical novels.
Hajjaj was the right hand for those who even didn't spare women of Makkah an Medina and all of a sudden a woman's call made them so ghairatmand that they started a military campaign.
Actually, it was evidently his own decision to do what was done to Makkah and Medina. He was given the authority to do anything he wanted there, and he made the decision to unleash hell.
Having said that, what makes him such a complex and interesting character to study were his other deeds. Hajjaj completely crushed a major Khajirite rebellion, ordered the conquest and Islamicisation of central asia, and of course initiated the Muslim conquest of India.
Hajjaj was the governor of Basra - an immensely powerful position. There were perhaps less than 5 men in the Muslim worlds who were as powerful or more so than he. There is no way that MBQ, as one of those under Hajjaj's authority, could have done anything at all without Hajjaj deciding to have it done.
Kia ye khula tazaad nahin 
But they claim to be descendent of Hazrat Hamza 