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it depends upon location. In villages it is strongely followed while in urban centres pashtuns are just like other regular urban people of pakistan.
Okay. So the pashtoon from rural area consider pashtoon as non-pashtoons as they don't properly follow Pashtoonwali?
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Okay. So the pashtoon from rural area consider pashtoon as non-pashtoons as they don't properly follow Pashtoonwali?
Things have changed with time. It were our ancestors who defined "karigar" people as "kamaya or kamzaat", non-pashtun. They are still regarded as low-caste i.e son of a chamar is still considered kamzaat even if he becomes a professor, matlab ye he k ye cheez ab nasal dar nasal chal rahi he. But nowadays if a pashtun stop following pashtunwali he doesnt become a non-pashtun. Nowadays pashtun ethncity is mostly defined by langauge. Those unfortunate karigars who live in villages are still labeled as non-pashtun because of backwardness.But remember those pashtun tribes/people who have stopped follow pashtunwali, are mocked and looked down upon. A good example of such pashtuns is khattak tribe, khattaks have lost pashtunwali so therefore are mocked and looked down upon by other tribes even though they are most progressive pashtuns.
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Pashtunwali is very complex code and way of life. In the following link its points are explained. Pashto ???
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Pashtun people are more religious compared to others. Most of the people in Tableeghi jama'at (Preaching groups) are Pathan, who travel to distant areas for preaching.As far as the Pashtoonwali is concerned, its based the general points like honesty, bravery,etc which is part of almost all the religions. Pashtoonwali also got a code related to revenge (which probably dominate overall Pushtun culture), which is purely cultural rather than influenced by religion, as no religion supports revenge.
Pashtuns have become religous after 1947 under the influence of deobandism. Check out kochis (pashtun nomads) and their way of life, pashtuns were like them before adopting deobandi school of thought. If you have observed kochis, their women dont wear burqa neither their men are religous.
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this is similar to us too, my community is also into khandani wars. This is why in history both of us made equally competent communities and mostly against each other and dominated each other occasionally :)
The area in KP where pashtuns and jats co-exist is dera ismael khan.
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Wellm according to some Scholars the Pathans are decendants of one of the lost ten tribes of Isreal.As for Kizilbash they are Persian and they are mainly Shia wheras majority of Pashtoons have always been Sunni Muslims although mostly now they are Wahabi.Actually the Yusufzai and Khattack rivalry is very old in nature and like the other regional conflicts it was most probably started over a fammily matter or some raid for herds.The Pashtoons also fight amongst the other Ethnic groups like Turkmen and Tajiks as well.The situation is due to the Pashtoons being the only people who hold the control over the major rivers and water sources whereas the other groups are invaders and the Pashtoons the native inhabitants and the majority.
No ,pashtuns are not wahabis. It is common misconception among punjabis that pashtuns are wahabis. Pashtuns are mostly deobandis. Actually in the past pashtuns rejected wahabi islam of syed ahmad bareillvi, and expelled him when he tried to abolish pashtunwali. The shia pashtuns are turis, bangash and some orakzais. Nowadys due to taliban phenomena pashtuns are mistaken as wahabis. The religous extremism among pashtuns is recent thing. jihadism, tabligh jamat etc were introduced into our society mainly during zia ul haq times. While jumat islami, JUI etc were unknown to us before 1947.
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To me Deobandi and Wahabi are both the same... ultra right wing... modern fundos that are causing havoc across the World and giving Islam a bad name.
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100% agree to your point of view, but the local should learn from past mistakes and should have known that these wars among themselves are of no use.
Yousafzais and khattaks of nowadays are both very dormant, peaceful and least martial tribes. Minor inter-tribal some times occur among other pashtuns. I would give examples of my tribe. The last big war that our tribe has fought, was with wazirs in ayub khan times when they invaded bannu and tried to expel its inhabitants, bannuchis. Our other clash was with bhittanis in 2003, when they obducted three marwat females of madrassa and refused to return them. Invasion on bhittani tribe took place to retrieve marwat girls. And when talibans come to our area, we also organized numerous lashkars against them and unlike swat we finished talibans by ourselves.
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^ Fighting the Taliban is not easy, your people did very well to have managed to fight back at a local level.
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Pashtuns have become religous after 1947 under the influence of deobandism. Check out kochis (pashtun nomads) and their way of life, pashtuns were like them before adopting deobandi school of thought. If you have observed kochis, their women dont wear burqa neither their men are religous.
Great information. Now I can understand how the people who loved Rehman Baba and his message become intolerant about other faiths which was finally portrayed in Bamiyan, etc
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Good to see you bro, it would be good to have you in Pakistan affair as well as we lack someone from Pashtun background there. It would help people understand your point of view on the issues concerning the whole war on terror fiasco.