This i felt is the most important topic, for any human to comprehend the creations of God. The first and foremost is to understand the right definition of God.
I would like both my Hindu friends and Muslims Friends to contribute.
The sources must be sacred scriptures and definition of Theologians.
I personally feel if someone has to follow a particular faith or religion, first an individual has to contemplate about the Concept of God.
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the concept of god has changed from time to time; some consider it one, others many. some specify their functions, others generalize them. so it is really a person to person issue.
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There is only one God, Allah Tallah. We should worship Allah Tallah directly without using idols. Otherwise it is a shirk. Why can not make Dua to Allah Tallah directly in spiritually?
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1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
(Surah Al Ikhlas:112)-
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The above 4 verses are the best definition a Theologian can ever provide to define God.
I doubt whether anyone can give such a supreme definition. Period.
Qureshi bhai just added the italics above, just for better understanding as in the last verse in Ikhlas there is Kullaho.
I respect your view, i hope you dont mind the change
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Before i tell anything here, i would like to say that hinduism is an unorganized religion unlike islam which is organized (mainly for crowd control). Hindus are free to interpret their scripture the way they want. To lead a normal life, a hindu has to believe in law of karma(whatever a man does, it will come back to him. Every action will have its own reaction) and reincarnation and Whether he believes in one god or many, it really doesn't matter. It's not like sin over here.
In hinduism, god is something that can only be 'realized' after great penance and conditioning of senses to attain moksha, or in short, the true nature of god is extremely difficult to understand and god is not something which is described by a strict definition or just 'one' definition. Here god is all powerful and capable of doing anything.
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As i said, in hinduism, god is not limited just by one definition. There are many way in which hindus believe in god. According to vedas, with regard to attaining moksha or nirvana, the aim or path towards god is different, which i will tell later.
According to me, here there are three main concepts. Henotheism, monotheism and pantheism and there are many schools of thoughts based on these.
Henotheism is nothing but monotheism, but it doesn't deny the existence of other 'demi-gods'.
Pantheism- god is everywhere, only thing is he manifests more in living organisms (even more in humans) and less in non-living things.
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In hinduism, god is something that can only be 'realized' after great penance and conditioning of senses to attain moksha, or in short, the true nature of god is extremely difficult to understand and god is not something which is described by a strict definition or just 'one' definition. Here god is all powerful and capable of doing anything.
As said this is your definition beleive me ssingh May God give you more humbleness and I hope My muslims brothers and sister dont go against from what I am writing now.
You are first Hindu in my entire life where atleast through this forum and my intuition I have seen you as God fearing. Leaving everything apart your believes and faith, I feel you want to know more about God and in a pursuit of this objective. Correct me If I am wrong.
I personally feel the converts in this world not to any particular religion, its only faith and the right Concept of God.
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It's not just my definition.....that's how hinduism is in reality. You are right.....i want to know more about god. That's my ultimate objective. Now, what i am going to say, you may not like it. I dont believe in conversion stuff even though my arguments in other threads gave an impression that i believe in this . For me it is just about psychology and also more about politics of increasing number of people of one particular faith, nothing else. This is just my personal opinion. and thanks a lot for the compliment. Besides, let's stick to the topic.
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Shall I phrase it this way rather than conversion I should put this as pursuit towards the right Concept of God.
But this is a personal perception, btw can any one provide me with a definition of a Theologian. I thought I am with the topic, i havent deviated.
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^ i have added later that it is purely my personal opinion. ....hope u notice it now. Besides, let me explain as much as possible with regard to concept of god particularly pantheism and also by vedas afterwards. and i believe or follow monotheism and pantheism
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Yo_wassim check out the topic says concept of God. which I was saying for ages in the other thread.
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Out of Topic,
Is there a problem with the topic or do you agree with this.
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Yes I agree with the title Concept of God.
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I always say there is None to be worshipped but Allaah or God.
But why only Allaah or God, and why not the other associated partners of God. Do i deny they are no associated partners with God, no way they are associated partners with God, I agree with it.
But in Truth there is only One God. One Unseen God.
Now why should I worship only Allaah and not Prophet Mohammed:saw: or Prophet Abraham may peace be upon him.
The fact is how can I worship though I love Prophets more then my Parents. This is because they are not eternal, they are not immortal.
When any of the associated partners of God died no one came back alive Physically and this shows they are not eternal.
What about being Powerful?
The God i worship, is all powerful on its own it doesnt need anyones help. Its content on its own.
Eg. Mr George Bush the most powerful human on earth today, to sit on his President throne was still voted by his People so he is still dependent.
The associated Partners with God, they were creations of God and came down like Human. So for sure they have slept, and sometimes tired.
How can I worship some gods who sleep and what about the time i supplicate and I am expecting something. I would rather pray to True God rather than mediators in between, because the end result is still his decision.
The God I worship created earth and the heaven and was never tired.
The God I worship, has the knowledge of everthing happening between Heaven and the Earth and is Powerful.
When a bird stoops down to drink water from an Ocean some water would have reduced but not the Knowledge of my God who knows by how much it was reduced.
Because in Truth there is only One God.
I call this God by Allaah :swt: because its in pure form. Others might call with different names but the Truth is One God in reality.
If anyone has attributes of dependency, mortality, sleep and no eternal life ceases to be God.
I can challenge this from
BVSS, BTSS, BBSS and BQSS. So the last comes BQSS in my list as the other scriptures have preceded BQSS.
I found Islam as a pursuit to get closer to God as this was the most simplest form of worship and no intricacies.
One unseen God, One creator and One to worhip thats one True God.
For athiests this is an amazing link below and for all others too
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Good link to for all of them, on why Athiesm should be accepted.
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I will not beat around the bush…will come directly to vedas or vedanta. There are 4 great statements or ***mahavakyas ***in sanskrit from vedas ***. ***Each one from rig, yajur, sama and atharva vedas.
http://www.jayarams.com/dharma/mahavakyas.html
For details, can check out the link. In vedas god is sometimes called as *brahman(not that caste-it is brahmin)…*Even the pronunciation of both are different. These above verses are not something anyone telling and other listeners understanding. It is about ‘realizing’ it. It is about being and becoming it which according vedas themselves is difficult.
In short or simple words, according to hinduism or vedantists, every soul has been seperated from god and it is under some worldly illusion or dream. Each soul has to overcome that dream by joining or merging again with that god and in the end become god.