Regarding the black stone which acts as a marker and is located in one corner of the Ka'bah, Muslims can take note of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab's (r) example. 'Abis ibn Rabi'a relates that:
"'Umar came near the black stone, kissed it, and said: 'No doubt, i know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor cause harm. Had i not seen Allah's Messenger (s) kissing you i would not have kissed you.'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:667)
And before anyone jumps in, kissing something doesn't equate to worshipping it.
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*Originally posted by Iqbal1089: *
'Abis ibn Rabi'a relates that:
"'Umar came near the black stone, kissed it, and said: 'No doubt, i know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor cause harm. Had i not seen Allah's Messenger (s) kissing you i would not have kissed you.'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:667)
And before anyone jumps in, kissing something doesn't equate to worshipping it.
Iqbal
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so you think muslims kiss the stone out of love if not for worship?
Don't you think everyone on the planet should covert to Islam?
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Kareem, you should read the story of kumbakarna (ravana's gigantic bro). he was owed this boon and since it was likely that he'd use such powers to the detriment of Good, fate played a trick - he mispoke a word while requesting the boon and so instead of acquiring great immortality, ended up acquiring great sleepiness.
that's happened to you Kareem. read your wish and weep.
Q. the Gods who cannot protect themselves but depend on others to do so for example monkys,needs some care taker shelter provider, trees need a farmer ,someone who could provide them water and so on, then how these Gods protect others, how they can fulfill the basic necessities of life, how can they bestow some favour?
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these assertions are factually wrong.
Monkeys do NOT need a care taker. you could go to a forest and see for yourself.
Trees don't NEED a farmer. Again go to the woods or just look outside.
Notwithstanding these fallacious premises, Gods are not there to simply bestow favors. your concept of god unfortunately that of an invisible headmaster who is sitting there watching, prodding and making you do things and rewarding candy in heaven in return. that sounds more like trading than anything else.
on the other hand our concept of God is different and in my opinion, nobler. Yes we do have a concept of punishment and rewards but we believe that it is not God that causes these punishments and rewards but we ourself do, through our actions. We do good, we earn a reward and we do bad, we earn something unpleasant.
the onness of God and the plurality of Godliness - whether by form or by import - is a good way to start understanding divinity, but even more importantly, gain some understanding of yourself. I therefore compliment you on your quest, even though you started it to mock something, you have asked a good question and that will help you find a bit about yourself by the time you're done.
Kareem, you should read the story of kumbakarna (ravana's gigantic bro). he was owed this boon and since it was likely that he'd use such powers to the detriment of Good, fate played a trick - he mispoke a word while requesting the boon and so instead of acquiring great immortality, ended up acquiring great sleepiness.
that's happened to you Kareem. read your wish and weep.
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Nope. did you know that more tan 95% so called "growth in muslim population" occurs in a handful of enfamined african countries? In developed and developing nations, there is a actually a negative trend in conversions? guess all that extremism is catching up
Nope. did you know that more tan 95% so called "growth in muslim population" occurs in a handful of enfamined african countries? In developed and developing nations, there is a actually a negative trend in conversions? guess all that extremism is catching up
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What are you trying to say? Mods, delete this man's posts. He is insulting Islam.
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*Originally posted by Iqbal1089: *
Regarding the black stone which acts as a marker and is located in one corner of the Ka'bah, Muslims can take note of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab's (r) example. 'Abis ibn Rabi'a relates that:
"'Umar came near the black stone, kissed it, and said: 'No doubt, i know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor cause harm. Had i not seen Allah's Messenger (s) kissing you i would not have kissed you.'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2:667)
And before anyone jumps in, kissing something doesn't equate to worshipping it.
Iqbal
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how about jinns are they human with extra power dwell on earth?
meaning of jinn
These are spiritual beings that inhabit the world and are required to follow the orders of Allah and are accountable for their deeds. They can be good or bad, just like people. The word Jinn in Arabic means hidden, which indicates that they are invisible creatures. They were created by Allah from fire.
A monkey needs, food water and shelter. But a god doesn't need anything. How can some one who is dependant on something be a God.
umm...rvikz, are you talking to me. If so, then, everyone says that we posses the truth. Hmph.Another diversion....WOULD SOMEONE *PLEASE * STICK TO THE TOPIC AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
just as i expected. no one has the answer and the topic is diverted every time. this is about concept of god in hinduism and should be strictly restricted to it.
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*Originally posted by DON BRADMAN: *
dear o dear o dear,
just as i expected. no one has the answer and the topic is diverted every time. this is about concept of god in hinduism and should be strictly restricted to it.
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you have the answers of all the mystry of creation .
we are just irrational people not lucky enought to be liberated by bin quasim of iraq.
Monkeys do NOT need a care taker. you could go to a forest and see for yourself.
Trees don't NEED a farmer. Again go to the woods or just look outside.
Notwithstanding these fallacious premises, Gods are not there to simply bestow favors. your concept of god unfortunately that of an invisible headmaster who is sitting there watching, prodding and making you do things and rewarding candy in heaven in return. that sounds more like trading than anything else.
on the other hand our concept of God is different and in my opinion, nobler. Yes we do have a concept of punishment and rewards but we believe that it is not God that causes these punishments and rewards but we ourself do, through our actions. We do good, we earn a reward and we do bad, we earn something unpleasant.
the onness of God and the plurality of Godliness - whether by form or by import - is a good way to start understanding divinity, but even more importantly, gain some understanding of yourself. I therefore compliment you on your quest, even though you started it to mock something, you have asked a good question and that will help you find a bit about yourself by the time you're done.
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dear balram,
it seems that you have never visited the zoo, or you are unaware of wood furnitures. what explanations you have about the people who did good and got unpleasant results? and if you think that God does not have the authority of punishing or rewarding, then why do you believe in God or in other words you are the creator and destroyer of your own destiny.
if you have the authority of doing good or bad then to whom you are praying which is given in yajurveda,
"lead us to the good path and remove the sins that makes us stray and wander." [yajurveda 40:16]