^ this is an insult, aisa kaise ho sakta hai? … now we will have to protect those 2%, we cannot allow them to go on suicide mission 
^^Bittu
Unfortunately it is senior Indian Army personnel whose visas have been rejected by Canada because of violation of human rights in Indian Occupied Kashmir and elsewhere.
I hope the Hindustan Times is a reliable enough source:
“Canada denied visas to a member of the Armed Forces Tribunal, three serving Brigadiers, a retired Lt General and a former senior IB official on the grounds that their organisations have been engaging in violence.”
“Lt Gen (retd) A S Bahia, a **decorated Indian military officer **who is now a member of the Armed Forces Tribunal in Chandigarh, was refused visa in May this year, contending that he had served in a “sensitive location” of Jammu and Kashmir.”
What is clear from the survey, that peoples perceptions change over time. Now more Kashmiri's are happy to remain with India than Pakistan. In the past it was the other way round.
Give this another 10-20 years, and people in J&K will be glad to be with the rising star India, than a conflict ridden country like Pakistan.
The demographic wanting to remain Indian has always been the same. Namely the non Muslims of Kashmir. The issue however is what the majority Muslims of Kashmir want. And I think its apparent that the majority do NOT want to be Indian.
I said they would accept self determination…
Certainly there are those within the establishment that do not want to see an independant Kashmir. Most Pakisrtanis would perfer that in the end, Kashmir join Pakistan just as it should have at partition. But if in the end that is what it comes to, then they will simply have to live with it.
The bottom line is, allowing the Kashmiris their rights. Somthing the INDIANS are averse to..
As I said before, Pakistanis are concerned with Kashmiri people. Indians are concerned with Kashmiri land.
As I've repeatedly stated in the past, the only viable solution is to trifurcate the state - with the Kashmiri-majority districts forming an independent state (possibly like Bhutan - with complete independence, but cooperation in terms of foreign relations). In that scenario, Jammu would become a full Indian state in its own right, and Ladakh would become a union territory, as it has been requesting for years.
Bhutan is too dependent on india (but still they have preserved their identity and their way of living). Even for kashmir this could be taken as an example, provided it would depend on to what level the kashmiris will allow either india or pakistan to meddle in their affairs to preserve their identity. Kashmir, if it gains independence, will have to depend either on india or pakistan later for its survival, simply because of its geographical location.
Bhutan is too dependent on india (but still they have preserved their identity and their way of living). Even for kashmir this could be taken as an example, provided it would depend on to what level the kashmiris will allow either india or pakistan to meddle in their affairs to preserve their identity. Kashmir, if it gains independence, will have to depend either on india or pakistan later for its survival, simply because of its geographical location.
Kashmiris are inherently closer to Pakistanis both culturally and geographically.
med911 - obviously someone forgot to tell the Kashmiri's.
Pakistan has had 3 wars, tens of thousands died & billions spent, and what have they to show for it - dwindling support for Pakistan!!.
The 'Chamchagiri' of US, started soon after 1947 to gain weapon,s against India (to grab Kashmir!!). Soon Pakistan was fighting USAs wars in Afganistan, and still is.
The whole Jihadi setup by Pak army to grab Kashmir has backfired, and today Pakistan itself is engulfed in Jihadi terrorism. It has become a breeding ground for international terrorism.
Pakistan has lost it's own Independence, it's ability to protect its people - so how can you talk of Independence for others.,
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Bhutan is too dependent on india (but still they have preserved their identity and their way of living). Even for kashmir this could be taken as an example, provided it would depend on to what level the kashmiris will allow either india or pakistan to meddle in their affairs to preserve their identity.
Bhutan manages its internal affairs without any Indian interference. Since India's defeat in the Sino-Indian War, Bhutan has also managed it's foreign affairs independently, and has even conducted its own border negotiations with China, completely without Indian interference. Bhutan maintains friendly, cooperative relations with India, but I certainly don't think you can argue that India is "meddling" in their affairs.
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Interesting, but kashmiri's will suffer on both the hands of Pakistan/India & big guys China/US/Russia !
a far fetch scenario but will become pretty much reality in coming days:
1) Himaliyaa's/Karam = life = water
2) Population of South Asia?
3) Whoever control Kashmir they control water and the life's of half the population of the world.
Interesting, but kashmiri's will suffer on both the hands of Pakistan/India & big guys China/US/Russia !
a far fetch scenario but will become pretty much reality in coming days:
1) Himaliyaa's/Karam = life = water 2) Population of South Asia? 3) Whoever control Kashmir they control water and the life's of half the population of the world.
firenze,
Exactly my sentiment! I have argued here before that there is too much invested (both in terms of blood and resources) in kashmir by both us(pak not US) and india. It is political suicide for india to grant independence to mini-me vale of K. u know the situation well as far pak establishment is concerened.
There is no way vale of K is getting independence. The likely outcome is minor readjustment in the border and a soft border betweeen AJK and IHK vale of K. Lives/future/wishes of 100m+ pakistanis and 1b+ indians are more important than 2m+ wannabe independents.
Janab-e-whinning stop having wet dreams and move on!
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what is the actual character of kashmir strugle....ethnic or religious???
med911 - obviously someone forgot to tell the Kashmiri's. Pakistan has had 3 wars, tens of thousands died & billions spent, and what have they to show for it - dwindling support for Pakistan!!.
The 'Chamchagiri' of US, started soon after 1947 to gain weapon,s against India (to grab Kashmir!!). Soon Pakistan was fighting USAs wars in Afganistan, and still is.
The whole Jihadi setup by Pak army to grab Kashmir has backfired, and today Pakistan itself is engulfed in Jihadi terrorism. It has become a breeding ground for international terrorism.
Pakistan has lost it's own Independence, it's ability to protect its people - so how can you talk of Independence for others.,
I dont blame them. Pakistan obviously needs to clean house before they can even consider asking Kashmiris to join Pak.
Despite this however, Pakistan continues support Kashmiri rights while Indians continue to support occupation and the human rights violations...
And the best excuse you Indians can come up with in trying justify your nations crimes is trying to equivocate your vile occupation with Pakistan. Pathetic.
The support Pakistan gained from the US was a necessity owing to Indias historic hostility towards the new state. Indian treachery started well before and into the creation of Pak. It included not sharing what the new state was owed both financially and militarily. India was aggressive in its attempts to undermine Pakistan from the start.
So given that India was so aggressive, and so treacherous towards its smaller neighbor, what choice did Pakistan have but to turn to America to supply its defense?!?! Indians themselves of-course are no strangers to kissing rears for the sake of gaining technology. Most of India's advanced offensive capabilities are due solely to the Russians lest you forget. Your own indigenous programs have flopped time and again.
Pakistan is a victim of the war on terror. And sooner or later, the issue will be resolved. You seem to have forgotten your own many insurgencies. You forget that India has been plagued by far more insurgencies then Pak, with your "latest" one being the Maoists.
Perhaps you should worry about your countries own rampant stupidity and incompetence. You might think beating people down with your Million man terrorist army will work, but your "strong" man antics have backfired more then once.
Pakistan is still a country in progress. Your country can hardly feed its own people. You have people eating dirt for god sakes. You just had over a hundred people die a week back! Last month dozens of para military men were slaughtered.
You are a joke of nation. The only difference between India and Pakistan is that your problems are long running, while ours are temporary, and your able to hide your problems and pretend everything is fine.
Go read your own history and actually travel through India yourself to see the pathetic state of your people. Your people have lost their independence to violence, poverty, corruption and you name it. The people of Kashmir for one, have been begging to be rid of your form of "independence" for decades now.
The worst thing about you Indians is that your entirely deaf and dumb. You conveniently forget your problems and your crimes, and then arrogantly parade about as if your guiltless. You chafe at any comparison to Pakistan, but have no problem citing Pakistan to justify your own incompetence when someone actually calls you on your blatant bull sh1t.
what is the actual character of kashmir strugle....ethnic or religious???
If it was a religious issue then people in the districts of Poonch, Rajouri, and Kargil (all of which have non-Kashmiri Muslim majorities) would support it. Instead, most of the people in all of those districts wish to remain in India. Also, if this were a religious issue, then there wouldn't be a Hindu member of the All Parties Hurriyet Conference, and Kashmiri Sikhs wouldn't have openly participated in the massive pro-independence demonstrations during the summer of 2008.
If it was a religious issue then people in the districts of Poonch, Rajouri, and Kargil (all of which have non-Kashmiri Muslim majorities) would support it. Instead, most of the people in all of those districts wish to remain in India. Also, if this were a religious issue, **then there wouldn't be a Hindu member of the All Parties Hurriyet Conference, and Kashmiri Sikhs **wouldn't have openly participated in the massive pro-independence demonstrations during the summer of 2008.
sikhs support kashmir movement out of fear or....
hindu members of hurryat can be a criteria....
then you should accept the kashmir assembly which is full of ethnic kashmiris, general state elections...etc....
and if the kashmir strugle was not misled by religion...what was the fault of hindu kashmiris who were politely and peacefully asked to leave kashmir...dont tell me that it was a gameplan of the hindu-indian govt...
then you should accept the kashmir assembly which is full of ethnic kashmiris, general state elections...etc....
As usual, your argument makes absolutely no sense. As this study, and all of the other prior polls demonstrate, the rubber stamp J&K State Assembly clearly does not reflect the will of the overwhelming majority of the Kashmiri people.
and if the kashmir strugle was not misled by religion...what was the fault of hindu kashmiris who were politely and peacefully asked to leave kashmir...dont tell me that it was a gameplan of the hindu-indian govt...
And if the government was not involved in the Pandit exodus, tell me, how is it that a community of 100,000 Sikhs and Buddhists are still living with their Muslim neighbors in Kashmir? Why weren't they "asked to leave Kashmir" along with the Hindus?
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Pakistan, all these years tried to simulate 1971 East Pakistan like situation in Kashmir by inducing terrorism, today i have to say Pakistan has some 2% of success but the cost she payed is probably about 50 % of her own land !
Pakistan, all these years tried to simulate 1971 East Pakistan like situation in Kashmir by inducing terrorism, today i have to say Pakistan has some 2% of success but the cost she payed is probably about 50 % of her own land !
Garbage...
Your another example of Indians trying to cover up for their state terrorism in Kashmir with finger pointing and obfuscation of facts.
As usual, your argument makes absolutely no sense. As this study, and all of the other prior polls demonstrate, the rubber stamp J&K State Assembly clearly does not reflect the will of the overwhelming majority of the Kashmiri people.
And if the government was not involved in the Pandit exodus, tell me, how is it that a community of 100,000 Sikhs and Buddhists are still living with their Muslim neighbors in Kashmir? Why weren't they "asked to leave Kashmir" along with the Hindus?
so, one should agree to all your terms and conditions and it will make sense???
some sikhs support the hurryat.....you must support those muslims who are full time members of shiv sena and bjp.
the last two assemblies in kashmir were elected by 42-46% of the total electorate and the media...international media...ngos had complete approach to all parts of J&K...this assembly as per your terms and conditions....is a dummy assembly and some sikhs who support hurryat are not doing so for fear....i can not make out what is your stand.
and, are you sure that sikhs have never planned to leave the valley???
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So how many voted in favour of Pakistan? 60%?