Ok, I think this guy has crossed the limits on ONE TOO MANY OCCASIONS! yar had hotee hai.. until when will the admins keep backing this idiot? He cant respect any islamic rulings at all, no one’s asking him to follow those rulings, but when a question is posted asking for the islaamic viewpoint, does he have to respond to it, also at the same time, taking a shot at God? Its not for a muslim to insult someone who keeps taking shots at their religion, the admin isn’t willing to take a step against this guy, what the hell should we do? Keep swallowing his bull**** against our religious beliefs?
This is too much guys, people like him have been banned in a jiffy and somehow he’s managed to survive TIME AND AGAIN! I’m hoping a serious step will be taken this time.
I'm glad I quoted that, since the reply has been edited now. But editing isn't the solution, i'm assuming the moderators aren't his servants who'll keep running around editing his replies.
Thank God somebody brought this up. I don’t have anything against Chaltahai or any other guppie, a lot of the times I think they are really funny and their posts do make me smile, but I do get very offended by some of the replies on the forums by different guppies. I mean this is after all a Pakistani forum, or atleast the majority of us here are Pakistanis. I am not saying make it like Pakistan and enact blasphemy laws here for every small little thing but still, there should be SOME limit. At some point it really stops being funny.
We edit personal attacks but we don’t edit attacks on our religion? Granted that the spirit behind them is just jest but it still is offensive and hurtful. I’m not recommending any action against any guppie but there should be some GS policy about such posts IMHO.
I just click BACK when I see such replies usually and don’t bother but seriously it does make me feel bad each time.
Dearest Ammar/Irem: What is in my post that offends you so much? Did you ask the originator of the post, whether he found it offensive? If you haven't figured out by now that I am not here to make fun or proselytize or play sectarian BS, then you have to read some more of my posts. I am not a CIA mole sent to rabble rouse. IF you can take the post written, I might be paying a higher regard to god than what your narrow interpretation of religion suggests. (read it again)
You my friends don't have a monopoly on god or his/her word. Please turn the other cheek or seek another thread. Fret asked a question and didn't specify "Muslims Only" in the post. The mods and the powers can go ahead and make a Muslim only posting policy in the forum.
I can show you a lot worse things that have been said about Kuf'rs and other religious beliefs. No one goes running to complain because we are comfortable in our skins and know who we areand what god means to us. Trust me, god can take it. Your belief in your faith should help you take a joke once in a while as well.
CH, Next time a query is posted in the religion forum, please have it understood that that it will ONLY be for a muslim to answer unless stated otherwise, because these are the forums for the Islaamic republic of Pakistan. (Link- for a quick view as to what Pakistan stands for)
Taking a joke with regards to religion, has nothing to do with having faith in your beliefs. The fact is, you walked over the beliefs of millions of muslims when you decided to take a jest at God, the God that they believe in. If anything, it shows your weakness which aims to satisfy itself by aiming jests at the other persons’ belief.
Even if this were a neutral religion forum, (which let me assure you it isn’t and will not be), I for one would never take a jest at someone else’s belief, and will always expect the same respect in response. The fact that you’re using (“*a lot worse things that have been said *..”) i.e. the ‘eye for an eye principle’ to justify something wrong goes to show the weakness of your point of view, again.
BTW- your comment was not in jest, it was a bait. Taking a shot at someone’s God isn’t funny. You may laugh at such jokes, the rest of us aren’t so pathetic.
Sorry, you still haven't shown me how this was a baiting post (whatever that is, although the analogy to a guppy might be not such a stretch). I was not aware that religion only means islam. And particularly your interpretation of islam at that.
Regarding the "justification" bit. Wrong again brother!!! THat point was made to show that I have yet to run and post "complaints" against your ilk, for all the "pathetic" idiocy I have seen posted.
And btw/ I was under the impression that Pakistan also has rich history of other religions. I guess I was wrong. You should complain to the gov't about blowing up Harrappa and Mohen Jodaro asap. We can't have other religions as a reflection of Pakistan. Can we?
Chaltahai, you're a despicable idiot. Anybody who leaves out Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones is vile in my books. God, I'm sure, likes them nonetheless.
You need conversion, my friend. Heavy duty, renovated conversion.
Ammarr, why don’t you take your God and shove it? While you are at it, take your Islam and stuff it up your ass. It will have a purification affect on both.
As I already specified in my post above, my comments were not directed towards you or any other guppy in the least. Everyone has a right to think and feel however he/she wants, I do not hold it against you if your thoughts are different from mine. I hope you will not hold it against me either. Please accept my apology if my comments were hurtful to you.
My post above was about the posting of such comments which might be offensive or hurtful to others, on GS, which is a public forum. I was merely addressing GS policy regarding posts of a certain nature, which I find hurtful and disrespectful, irrespective of who posts them. Sometimes I come across statements on the forums about Allah, the Prophet(SA) and about the Quran which to me are hurtful. And I was requesting the admins to edit such posts, as even though to others they might be amusing, I get a bad feeling when I read them.
I was just providing my personal feedback and making the admins aware of my feelings as a guppie towards aspects of GS that I would appreciate if they changed. If there is something on GS that makes you upset as well, as you said above that a lot of bad things are said about other religious beliefs, then just like I, you also have the right to provide feedback. In fact, jokes about any religion are not pleasant to read. If tomorrow somebody makes a joke about any other religion and it gives you a bad feeling, you must also come and provide feedback against it. GS admins should be aware of it if someone feels upset when he or she looks at parts of GS and I think as devoted guppies it is our job to let them know rather than remain silent about it.
Why are you trying to run around the issue CH? 1) You took a jest at God. 2) At a muslim website 3) Somehow you’re ATTEMPTING to say thats ok since I dont hold copyrights to God(???) … Nah please dont think all of us to be so dumb, that should be a royalty you should reserve only for your group of merry little men.
p.s. To discuss the HISTORICAL religions of Pakistan, there is always the Society and culture forum, which aims specifically at discussing our cultural heritage.
Oh, and BTW, just for the record, whenever I’ve talked to admin about this, they have somehow managed to exclude NYAhmadi…so to be honest, I’d love to see how admin reacts to the above comments by him. Admin, let me assure you that until you can deal fairly with people who are taking shots at Islam, I will keep on responding, as NO Admin can keep on justifying this attitude endlessly.
Irem: you still haven't told me what in the comment was hurtful. Was it the fact that I referred to god as a "she". Or was it that I said "she should get her head examined" for disallowing Music; which, is a very basic and necessary form of impression that is mathematically dereived and sensually inclined.
Let me translate the tongue in cheek comment to help you understand better. God, gave us the ability to make war, spread hate, oppress others by letting us use our brains. He also gave us the ability to use our brain to (paraphrasing Fraudiya), "be nice, spread love, be charitable" and yes make music. Which is a wonderful form of expression.
Is god so sadistic that he/she enables us to develop something so pure and beautiful, which can translate to any religion, culture, creed, or color and then bans us from using it? I refuse to believe that god would be a divisive force. YOu may have your opinion.
So if god is divisive then she should go and have her head examined. (the interesting thing is that I don't thing god is divisive, thus the need for a psycho-analysis is simply not there. The aforementioned concept is called 'sarcastic logic". I coined it yesterday. You can ofcourse use it if you like.) :)
Ammarr,,,I presented you with an option, you can do with it whatever you like. It’s not like I forced it on you. Now if you have problem with how different people react or believe in God differently from you, it is not their problem, it is yours. You need to get your head examined. Honestly.
You are acting like a little kid in the playground who does not know what to do. Grow up, no one is going to bring your God down or do anything to it. You keep it and treat it like your little toy. And enjoy.
Actually Ammar, the civilizations that were their in Harappa and Mohen Jodaro were not simply cultural. They are also part of the religious fabric of your country. What about the christians and hindus of pakistan?
Don't answer that, I think I see what fundos like you believe about other religion and makes my initial point more valid.
Chaltahai, brothers in Pakistan are so dumb that if McDonald’s starting giving away Coupons for Paradise with every Big Mac, they will make a killing.
What I mean to say is that it is how you package your beliefs. The reference to protohistoric civilizations is way way above what an average schmuck can handle. Lower the pipe my friend.
NYA: If he were merely stating his view of god, I would've had no problem....his comment simply states that for all those who believe that music is prohibited, there is a problem with their God.
So, next time I make an ugly comment such as (and I will not, as this attitude is never justified) anyone who appointed Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet needs to have their head examined..you're telling me that would fall under tolerable guidelines and you wont have a problem with it? yeh right!
Chaltahai: Like I said, I assume the same respect towards other religions as the one that I expect. The hindus and the christians can ask questions to their hearts' content and you're free to reply to those. You're not allowed to take shots at their gods either. Religion is something a lot of us hold dear and are sensitive about- the rest of us should be careful and not jest about it.
I'm sure you're not so stupid so as not to have realized that the question was meant for a muslim to answer. The majority if this website's visitors are muslims, hence questions are generally aimed at them, unless stated otherwise.. it doesn't take a genius to figure out this much.
Ammarr, Make all the comments about MGA as you wish. I cant speak for others, but it wont make a tiny difference to him as the Last Prophet (until the next one comes along). Nor would it upset me.
Honestly, these things should not bother people if their beliefs are strong. Now you are treating like you Allah as it will shatter into pieces if someone suggested that she gets her head examined. Now music, if you don’t like, don’t listen to it, if you do like no one can stop you from doing whatever you like. I totally agree with Chaltahai, a world without music will be dull, and whoever suggests that it is bad need to get his/her head checked. By implying that banning of Music is a religious commandment, one is simply implying that Gospal music sung in Churches is ungodly (you didnt state that, but that's what it mean), or that Qawali music is satanic. So, God is not just "your" God, but she comes in many forms and shapes and breast sizes. You need to get over it.
Amarr: You still haven't gotten the point. God is simply not your version of who she is.
Secondly, if the Board of directors of GS, want to establish this as a "Muslim Only" site. They are more than welcome to do so. I cna take this dog-n-pony show somewhere else.
thirdly, your rule about muslims only relying to threads about islamic viewpoint. (and mind you, my point was based on my relationship with god. You can have your relationship and shove it as far as I am concerned. And you should let me shove mine), is a bit rich but unpractical. By the same logic, when I see half assed college Students giving advice on career choices or store clerks talking about which medicines to take for "hair falling out" it makes me cringe. (I am being sarcastic here). Make it a core-competency laden forum and mullahs like you can have a field day giving lap dances. I won't care one bit. I rarely do now. :)
for the record, the above analogy both CH and NYA are giving about music being a good thing, I may not agree with it, but I dont have a problem with it. Its your opinion about music and you're entitled to it. However the conclusion you're trying to imply by calling the same God to have a problem, is where it exceeds the boundry of toleration.
There's a difference, hope you can spot it. I cant help you if you dont want to see it, consider this my last response to the topic until and if the admin chooses to respond.
Edit: Again, I dont have a problem with how you choose to view your god, as long as you're not making jokes about the ones that others believe in.