Compilation of The Quran [Split]

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Compilation of The Quran [Split]

@ravage

Thirdly shias cant believe that the Quran is incomplete and inauthentic because there exist atleast 2 dozen or so copies of the Quran hand written by people shias believe to be Imams, including by Hazrat Ali. So yes if the only source of the Quran were Hazrat Umar, maybe shias would have a hard time believing it to be authentic, but not from their imams.

Brother Ravage the above is an AMAZING statement from you.

You say that the Quran believed to be compiled by Hz. Ali (ra) still exists in at least 2 dozen copies.

So why do not the Shias use this Quran. Logically this would be the best Compilation of the Quran for the Shias.

But then you have the following statement taken from a very responsible Shia Website:

"After he compiled this transcript, Imam Ali (AS) took it and presented it to the rulers who came after the Holy Prophet, and said: “Here is the book of Allah, your Lord, in the order that was revealed to your Prophet.”

But they did not accept it and replied: “We have no need of this. We have with us what you possess.”

Thereupon, Imam Ali (AS) took the transcript back and informed them that they will never see it again. It is reported that Imam Ali recited the latter part of the following verse of Quran:

*“And when Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book to clarify it to mankind and not to hide its (clarification); but they threw it away behind their backs and purchased with it some miserable gain! and what an evil was the bargain they made!” * (Quran 3:187)

By “its clarification”, Imam Ali meant the unique divine commentaries.

The Commander of Believers then concealed that transcript, and after him it was passed to the Imams who also kept it concealed. It remained concealed with the Imams, one after the other to this day, because they wished to be only one sequence of Quran among the Muslims.

Because otherwise if people have had two different sequences, it might later result to some alteration in Quran by some sick-minded people. They wished people have strictly one sequence of Quran.

The Quran and its commentary which were collected by Imam Ali (AS) is not available for any Shia in the world except to the Imam Mahdi (AS).

If the transcript of the Commander of Believers had been accepted, that would have been the Quran with unique commentary in the hand of people, but it turned out to be otherwise."

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/4.html

Isn’t the above contrary to what you have stated that at least dozen of copies are available?

How is that something that has concealed by Imam Ali (ra) and his later progeny still be available.

I have other issues in your post to take up after you have clarified your stance.