We should trust MI at our own risk, but this is what Mansoor Ijaz has remarked today. And that the army wanted to respond, but president stopped the COAS from any reaction.
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President Zardari authorized May 02 US Operation: Mansoor Ijaz
ISLAMABAD: **Mansoor Ijaz has said that President Asif Ali Zardari was aware of the US operation against Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad, Geo News reported.
Talking to Geo News before the Memo Commission meeting Mansoor referred to a telephonic discussion between President Asif Zardari and Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on the night of May 02.
President Zardari told the Army Chief not to send F-16 jets to stop US military helicopters, Ijaz alleged. **
A campaign is being run against me from the Presidency. ‘I will fight those writing against me.’
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Very sensitive issue this one.
I think the truth is never going to come out, if it does it wont be for a long time. Theres just too many fishy goings on and we have all been lied tofor sure, just like most covert ops of the AmericansI am led to believe that we have all been humbugged and theres a lot more to the story.
Like the Pheonix project, Operation Long Silver Train, Operation Cyclone and other clandestine missions theres probably something covered up and we are not going to know the facts for a long time if ever.
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Well it makes sense that some one would have known from Pakistan. Either the civilian leadership or both (civilian and military leadership) knew about that incident. The blow back from that might have prompted the army to take punitive action against the government, hence resulting in the memo drama.
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In would not be suprised if a lot of $ currency changed hands for someone to keep hush hush on the matter.
Most likely that both the Civilain and Millitary big names knew about it for sure. No way the US troops flew in without any one knowing otherwise we might as well scrap everyone. :D
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Well it makes sense that some one would have known from Pakistan. Either the civilian leadership or both (civilian and military leadership) knew about that incident. The blow back from that might have prompted the army to take punitive action against the government, hence resulting in the memo drama.
Civilian leadership was controlling radars and army present just five minutes away from OBL compound .
Mansoor Ejaz is performing his duty well .
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In would not be suprised if a lot of $ currency changed hands for someone to keep hush hush on the matter.
Most likely that both the Civilain and Millitary big names knew about it for sure. No way the US troops flew in without any one knowing otherwise we might as well scrap everyone. :D
If the government and military knew about it what was the drama from both (silence and expression of shock) and the farce in camera briefing?
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If the military was onboard this was a big gamble on their part as the operation has tarnished the image of the institution. Or maybe no one expected the operation to become public, as some news articles have suggested that the army would have given the operation the cover of drone strike but due to the helicopter crashing the cover was blown.
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If PD/pm were involved then Army also and no wonder USA also:D:they all give him shelter and when obl not needed more clean him.
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What a person Mansoor is
Whole country is jolting due to this third class conspirator .
Thanks to our intermediate pass intellectuals .
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If the government and military knew about it what was the drama from both (silence and expression of shock) and the farce in camera briefing?
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Politicians are well known for thier drama skills. One only has to look at the level of melodram in every rally and the sheer dramatic scope of our media to understand acting is not too difficuilt for politicians.
Yusuf Raza Jilani for example deserves top marks in his role as "Shaheed" Asif Ali Zardari is such a typical mazloom meglomaniac. Nawaz Sharif and his brother always have the best dress sense at rallies but they cant speak half as well as Imran khan who may be greatest showman of them all. Who knows? The MQM leader is particularly skilled at playing armchair general/Mafiaoso.
Whats clear is all of them have something to hide in this.
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then we should assume that Genral kiyani was wid zardari in this !!!
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^ Offcourse he was with Zardari, the two are bed budies and we all know how generously Zardari has rewarded Kyani for his "special relationship". Kyani practically promised Zardari he would deal with any anti gov elements in the forces... says it all.
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If there is any truth, then we would not find out at least for the long forseable future.
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Remember , He didn't said it before court . He said it to media only and denied to answer the same question in the court .
He knew our media well .
Performing his duty well .
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Indian newspaper, but anyways…
Outgoing ISI chief Lt Gen Pasha fighting a lost battle - Rediff.com News
Outgoing ISI chief Lt Gen Pasha fighting a lost battle
**Amir Mir in Islamabad
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The ISI’s overwhelming involvement in national politics has weakened the mainstream political parties, given a boost to horse-trading and arrested the growth of the political culture in the country. Amir Mir reports from Islamabad.
The controversial director general of Pakistan’s premier spy agency Inter Services Intelligence – Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha – seems to be fighting a lost battle to secure yet another one year extension in his tenure. Pasha has already fallen out of favour not only with President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, but also with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, especially in the aftermath of the infamous Memogate scam which has already backfired.
Pasha is set to retire as ISI chief on March 18, 2012, after being given two consecutive extensions by the Zardari-led government in March 2009 and March 2010, largely on the advice of General Ashfaq Kayani. Pasha was appointed DG ISI in September 2008, replacing Lt Gen Nadeem Taj, who had been appointed by General Musharraf. Nadeem Taj had been appointed ISI chief in place of the General Ashfaq Kayani who had served as spy chief under Musharraf from October 2004 to October 2007.
Kayani chose Pasha for a variety of reasons, but the most important among them was his being green-lit by the Americans. At the same time, Pasha had served, just like Kayani, as Director General of the Military Operations (DGMO), a stint from 2006 to 2008 where he had overseen the entire ambit of military engagements across the country.
Pasha was also the moving spirit behind the Memogate scam that has deeply embarrassed the mighty military establishment besides causing serious tensions between Pakistan’s political and military elite. The Memogate rip-off involved a shabby Pakistani American businessman Mansoor Ijaz who had claimed that the Pakistan government had sought the Obama administration’s help to stave off a feared military coup following Osama bin Laden’s May 2, 2011, killing in a covert US commando operation in Abbottabad.
Pasha came under heavy criticism when Osama bin Laden was found living in Pakistan, hardly a kilometer away from the Kakul Military Academy, which is located in a high-security garrison town on the edge of Islamabad. The international community had raised some serious questions about the presence of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, refuting Pasha’s stance that his agency was not aware of his being there.
**Despite the glaring failure of the ISI to track down the world’s most wanted fugitive terrorist (who had been living in the garrison town of Abbottabad, next to the Kakul Military Academy, for the past five years), Lt Gen Shuja Pasha somehow managed to hold onto his position, eventually “unearthing” the Memogate scam a few months later. While investigating the memo without seeking any permission from the government, Pasha deemed it fit to travel to London, meet with Mansoor Ijaz on October 22, 2011, and persuade Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani to take up the issue with the Zardari-led PPP government, maintaining that the memo has compromised Pakistan’s national security.
In the whole process, Pasha simply bypassed the prime minister and his office and behaved as if he was not at all answerable to the civilian setup. The Memogate scam eventually forced Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington Hussain Haqqani to quit, besides prompting the Supreme Court to appoint a high-level judicial commission to investigate the alleged role of President Asif Zardari in the Memogate. However, as the commission took up the case and asked Masnoor to come to Pakistan and prove his allegations, he first dilly-dallied and finally refused to appear before the commission, citing security reasons. Not only that, he accused the ISI director general (Ahmed Shuja Pasha) of touring some Arab countries after the May 2 Abbottabad raid to discuss a military coup against the government.**
**As if this allegation was not enough to tarnish Pasha’s image, Mansoor Ijaz has further claimed that American pilots and Pakistani Air Traffic Control were in contact with each other before the May 2 Abbottabad raid, suggesting that Pakistani military authorities had prior knowledge of the operation in which Osama bin Laden was killed. He has also claimed that the threat of a military coup against the Zardari government in the aftermath of the May 2 raid was genuine and confirmed by the security agencies of four other countries. By making these disclosures, Mansoor Ijaz has turned the tables on Kayani and Pasha, therefore, putting them in a tight corner.
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**Under these circumstances, Pasha stands zero chance of getting any further extension, with the government circles accusing him of having masterminded the Memogate scam to pressurise the government into giving him another one-year term. **The government circles in Islamabad remind that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani had already refuted media reports of ISI chief being given another extension in order to improve matters with the establishment.At the same time, the Nawaz Sharif-led opposition too has also asked the PPP government not to grant Pasha any further extension.
Describing Pasha as the worst ISI chief Pakistan has had since 1988, leader of Pakistan Muslim League opposition in the national assembly, Nisar Ali Khan has stated at a press conference on March 29 that there are a lot of competent generals in the country who are capable of filling the slot of the ISI chief, “and I hope that the army itself will devise a strategy to replace Pasha.”
The appointment of a new ISI chief has assumed greater significance in the backdrop of the civil-military tensions. While in theory, the country’s premier intelligence agency falls under the jurisdiction of the prime minister being the chief executive of the country who can even appoint a civilian to head the agency, in practice, the ISI falls within the army’s chain of command. But the government sources say although the prime minister has the constitutional authority to appoint the ISI chief, he would leave it to Army Chief General Kayani to name Pasha’s successor. In fact, two past attempts by Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to appoint lieutenant generals closer to their governments as spy masters had simply backfired.
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if kiyani is wid zardari then why media reports possible crisis bw army n govt....
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if kiyani is wid zardari then why media reports possible crisis bw army n govt....
President house today denied about this all .
They declared media reports base less.
Now responsibility goes to Kiani and Pasha .
**Don't forget their puppet who made it public in his Lahore 'Jalsah'
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LOL @ ppl who still believe Shri OBL was there and now resting at the sea bed, nice script for Hollywood.
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ISPR has also denied that any telephonic conversation took place on May 2nd between the Presidency and the GHQ. The ball bounces back to Mansoor Ijaz's court.