Co-abode: Single moms living with single moms...

Heard on NPR that this lady has created a program whereby single moms in America can now share a house with other single moms…Me being me, I could not but help compare our culture with their culture and suddenly after hearing this, the four marriage polygamy system in Islam doesn’t sound so bad after all…

According to this program, mothers who can’t afford to take care of their children and work to support a family can now move in with another single mother…Nothing wrong in that, but there would be no father figure for the children at all…What about all the camaraderie that comes from having a father for a boy? How would he fare living under two mothers?

I heard it about 3-4 days ago, so from what I remember of the interview with the creator of this program, almost 500 mothers have now moved in together…The key points from the interview with the lady being:

  • The children are the responsibility of both the mothers, but in the upbringing, instilment of values and disciplining the child, the original mother would be the sole figure…

  • In case one mother gets a boyfriend, the non-boyfriended mother would take care of the children should she go out on a date in serach of a prospective spouse thereby cutting the cost of a baby-sitter…

  • Running of the household would be the responsibility of both mothers…

  • More can be ascertained from their website here…

*A University of Chicago study found that in just 26 years the number of married couples with children decreased 71%, and the percent of adults who were married decreased from 75% to 56%, which is evidence of an absolutely shocking cultural implosion. At the same time, the number of unmarried households with no children increased 230%, the number of children in single-mother households increased 417%, and the number of children living with neither parent increased 1,440%. Only 51% of American children, or 36.4 million of them, lived with both parents, and 18.2%, or 13 million of them, lived with a single parent, in 1998. This left 31% of the nation’s children, or 22 million of them, living with neither parent.

The US Statistical Abstract, Table 76, confirms the figures from this study by using different terms and arriving at a similar figure for children who are not living with at least one parent. This table shows that 25.7 million children live in “two parent family groups”, and that 11.9 million live in single parent households, leaving 22.5 million children living with neither parent. 10 million of these 11.9 million children live in single-mother households where they are twenty times more likely to be fatally abused than children living with their families.

i haven’t heard the NPR programme, so it’s hard for me to say.

The ‘vision’ behind it, from the very little that i understand (this being the first time i’ve heard of such a thing), seems to be to provide financial, emotional and social help within a ‘community’ atmosphere of single mothers and their children. Naturally, having a positive father figure would be more beneficial for the kids’ upbringing. Absolutely.

Some of these single mothers (i’m assuming) may have left a partner who was abusing them physically. The programme is based in California; if the domestic violence statistics for the US that i have read are accurate, then it is very possible i think that some (if not many) of these single mothers left a partner who was abusing them. They may have left with shattered confidence and self-esteem. If they are getting some form of assistance - financial, social, whathaveyou - from other women, then that is wonderful. Maybe it will help them to get back on their feet, and that can only mean positive things for their children.

Polygamy, as you correctly point out, has advantages provided it is followed as stipulated within the Quran. Any deviation from its Islamic mandate, would wreak negative consequences for everyone involved. As long as it is Islamically implemented - i.e., each wife is treated in an absolutely equal manner as Allah has Stated - then it would be something wonderful.

:flower1: Don’t forget, not just the male child, but daughters also require a positive father figure in their lives. IF those children are coming from a household where they’ve seen their father slap their mother around, or come home intoxicated, then i think they are far far better living without such a “father” figure. Better to be surrounded by ten single women, than to see your father come home drunk at 3 in the morning and then proceed to punch your mother in the face.

i think it’s an interesting programme which is never the same as stating that this should ever be considered a substitution for a healthy family household. But, if these women are leaving abusive homes - and domestic violence statistics for North America would persuade me that several of them are - then far better for a child to come home to a house full of single mothers and their children, than to be a witness to his father senselessly beating the life out of his mother.

Just my two cents, i could be wrong.

BTW, Lajawab, i tried replying to your pm a few days ago but your inbox was full.

well the answer for single mothers is not just guys who want to get a second wife is it?

If they want to remarry, where is it written that they can only go as a second wife.

I doubt that majority of the guys who get a second 3rd 4th wife do it because they want to be there as a father figure for a widow's kids, because most of the 2nd wives that I have seen tend to be younger than the guy's first wife. It appears they just want a 2nd wife and go get one.

so this 4 wives solution is not "the" right answer for these women in our society. Could it play a part, sure.. but I have serious reservations about whether guys going out for 2nd wife will go for an older or divorced/widowed lady with kids.

Nadia_H: I never said it's bad, in fact I think it's great...It's just that if you compare it to our system of polygamy that is laid out in Islam, surely you'd find a answer to the problems these women face...I am not trying to paint a rosy picture here, but definitely a far better picture than many of these women will have to face alone in their lives ahead, specially if they became mothers in their teens...

Sure, these shared homes could be a halfway house for many women, but just how many if at all...Going through life straightened with the responsibilty of children and going from one relationship to the next in search of a prospective father for their children, these women's spirits must become tatters after a while...

P.S. Sorry about my mailbox being full, a new PM has been dispatched...

Fraudz: I don't know the stats or figures for men marrying second wives being older or younger, and I don't say that it is the only solution, however it is a very good solution...

And anyways, if two women can share a home and children together in peace, what's to say they will not be happy and be able to live in harmony while sharing a husband?

As for someone going for an older, divorced/widowed lady is concerned, the women on the website are pretty young by any standards...

Originally posted by Lajawab: *
**Fraudz: I don't know the stats or figures for men marrying second wives being older or younger, and I don't say that it is the only solution, however it is a very good solution...
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It is a potential solution. anothe rplausible solution could be that the women who are divorced and widowed could marry as someon'e first wife, now that would be a really good solution. For that one would have to change societal taboos and mindsets.

As far as figures go, I look back and think about people who I knew who had more than one wife, and dont recall anyone goign for a divoree or a widow as their second wife, but it was someone younger with no kids etc.

*And anyways, if two women can share a home and children together in peace, what's to say they will not be happy and be able to live in harmony while sharing a husband? *

The dynamics change. Ever roomed with a really good pal and you just cant get along as room mates, why because teh dynamics have changed. There is no guarantee that 2 women who are sharing a place and getting along would get along if they were to share a husband.

*As for someone going for an older, divorced/widowed lady is concerned, the women on the website are pretty young by any standards... *

I missed th point in this last sentence, could you clarify please Thanks.