Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
True, Its like you tell somebody that as Muslims we are ordained to pray 5 times and pay obilgatory charity ( zakaat) and they guy knocks you down with " Are you God?".....
offcourse we are not God but this is what God commanded in his book ; Didn't he?
Interesting opinion . I had a friend - a former colleague ; he used to put this argument...that Yes I got to red light area but i go to preach.....and we all knew his perversion but anways its his deed and his life.
Plus, You can always do tasbeeh and tableegh in your own house , mosque and neighborhood , doing your prayers in a bar , brothel or club is not recommended.
haha...omg
Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
Peace mercenary2k
We should protect ourselves from harms way. First of all if a sister that you may have saw you go in to a nightclub would you not be stood making excuses for yourself? If you were someone that other Muslims respected and they saw you go in to a nightclub might that encourage them to go? Will they have the same intentions as you?
Although you do not intend to see evil no doubt you will see it and hear it in those places. Did you know that as an Islamic responsibility when you see a crime moral or legal you should stop it, if you cannot stop it then you need to speak out against it and if you cannot speak out against it then you must dislike it in your heart which is the weakest of iman. By going regularly to such places will you not be at risk of training yourself of slowly accepting the evil around as normal?
On the day of Judgement we will be raised amongst those who we associate with are you not willing to be amonst the company of those favoured by Allah (SWT)?
Even if we don't start the fire our clothes will smell of smoke ...
... Consider it a crime to go clubbing, no rather consider that instead of clubbing you and your friends go "clubbing some innocent people to death", but you choose not to pick up a baton to hit anyone. In a court of law will you or will you not be called an accomplice? Seeing that you went with them, you didn't stop them and you didn't tell the authority about them ....
Sh. Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi was a small child and he was walking down with his father in the streets of Damascus and there was a commotion, the young sheikh to be started to look at the crowd forming but his father stopped him and told him to look where he was going and not to be attracted by the crowd of bother, he said to him
"Do you want to be held accountable on the Day of Judgement for the evil you saw?"
You see when we see evil it our obligation to stop it, otherwise keeping away from it protects us from that obligation.
Apart from this we can not move our hearts in sincerity to Allah (SWT) after they have been tainted by loud music, the smells of spirits, wine, beer, perfume and hormonal sweat, excessive laughter, erotic images and so on. These are things that even if we glimpse an ear, eye or nose to we become stained and it becomes very hard to purify the heart once it is stained.
Let me ask you a question .... "Is it not true that although you may not drink ... when your company gets drunk around you ... you begin to get passively drunk and without the alcohol will be talking just as much nonesense as they will be?"
Oh ok Sorry for my simpilicty then!
Peace bitter_reality
That is why being sarcastic is deceptive and rude ... I guess the thing of note is when others tell the king of sarcasm that someone else is being sarcastic and he comes back with more sarcasm.
Sarcasm is often lost in verbal speech let alone as written text ... although many people love it, it is not often loved when oneself becomes the victim of it.
Ridicule is not a pious trait.
Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
To those who are trying to read between the lines of my post , what I said is my opinion based on what I have read and learned about Islam.
Where did I say you read namaz inside the brothel or inside a club or a bar.
**If you know about Azhar Usman ( a Muslim comedian) when he goes to do his comedy show in a club he offers his prayer in the parking lot of that club. **
**What in Islam is stopping someone from going to clubs , bars , bhangi para ( slums in Pakistan and India where janitors live) , brothels and preach Islam and practice good traits of Islam ? **
Why did Sahaba’s go to non Islamic states for preaching purposes , if they have avoided those places thinking if we go there we are putting our own Iman at risk and thinking that they will face the worst fate why do we care , or they have thought we will be ridiculed and made fun of then you would not find 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today.
Think out of the box people if you want Islam to spread and flourish and get its right place in all the religions and nations of the world.
There is no limit to being judemental and being vindictive . 
If I have a negative perception about someone based on my own insecurities I will always think opposite of what that person is saying no matter how much sense he is making or how much logical he is. I will try to find that small flaw in his argument.
Let me further add up " Only Gods knows what in my heart " but these islamic taliban like friends of mine say I am wrong. Share your comments please
This is good one
I agree with you that Sabaha did go to foreign lands for preaching but never went to pubs, brothels and bad places. Plus the person who started this thread this is least islamic himself…for sure he is not going there for tableegh.
One can arrange islamic seminars, public meetings, distribute brochures, booklets , visit houses…etc ..this is how Preaching is done. There are decent ways of doing things for example…just like if one wants to become doctor he goes to university of medicine (Proper place and adopting proper methodology is very important). He cannot become doctor by going to places like Barber Shop and Spas. Similary preaching has its guidlines and ethics too.
I agree with you that Sabaha did go to foreign lands for preaching but never went to pubs, brothels and bad places. Plus the person who started this thread this is least islamic himself...........for sure he is not going there for tableegh.
One can arrange islamic seminars, public meetings, distribute brochures, booklets , visit houses....etc ..this is how Preaching is done. There are decent ways of doing things for example.........just like if one wants to become doctor he goes to university of medicine (Proper place and adopting proper methodology is very important). He cannot become doctor by going to places like Barber Shop and Spas. Similary preaching has its guidlines and ethics too.
Why are you being judgmental again about the person who opened this thread. Do you know him intimately ? I guess not.
I go to pubs when my co workers arrange a social get togathers , I do not drink and when they ask me why I am not drinking . I tell them I am Muslim and drinking , womenizing , gambling are all strictly prohibited in Islam . That is my way of giving them the message of Islam .
People at clubs , brothels , pubs are in need of preaching more than anybody else. They should be high priority when it comes to preaching.
Why are you being judgmental again about the person who opened this thread. Do you know him intimately ? I guess not. I go to pubs when my co workers arrange a social get togathers , I do not drink and when they ask me why I am not drinking . I tell them I am Muslim and drinking , womenizing , gambling are all strictly prohibited in Islam . That is my way of giving them the message of Islam . People at clubs , brothels , pubs are in need of preaching more than anybody else. They should be high priority when it comes to preaching.
I am not judgmental but if something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck and quacks like a duck then the chances are "** IT IS A DUCK**"
He doesn't go there for doing tasbeeh or preaching , infact nobody go to pubs and discos for doing tasbeeh. Rationality of mind and evidence makes me say that.
I hope you wouldn't mind it. Its not Aganist you.
Peace
I am not judgmental but if something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck and quacks like a duck then the chances are "** IT IS A DUCK**"
He doesn't go there for doing tasbeeh or preaching , infact nobody go to pubs and discos for doing tasbeeh. Rationality of mind and evidence makes me say that.
I hope you wouldn't mind it. Its not Aganist you.
Peace
If he does not go there for preaching now , but he can . Someone has to tell him that he can and he should.
There is always hope that someone can come back to the right path if the message is conveyed across in a sincere manner and in a positive tone.
If you start on a negative tone with anybody it is very hard to even convey a positive message across.
If he does not go there for preaching now , but he can . Someone has to tell him that he can and he should. There is always home that someone can come back to the right path if the message is conveyed across in a sincere manner and in a positive tone. If you start on a negative tone with anybody it is very hard to even convey a positive message across.
Agreed 100 percent! You are right there.
Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
lol, I have an idea. We should stand outside brothels and clubs and wait till people come out to talk to them :p
lol, I have an idea. We should stand outside brothels and clubs and wait till people come out to talk to them :p
LOL.
Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
you are taking the 'preaching' idea too far if you're going to a brothel to preach.
i dont think its a good idea. i know theres a lot of social pressure and i've gone a couple of times but i've seen friends start to know a lot about different kinds of wine and eventually feel tempted. likewise with clubs.
slippery slope.
That is why only people with strong faith and who are very very matured should go there for this purpose.
I wonder why those people who come to my home and masjid for tableegh do not go there for this purpose. 
They are the best candidates for this kind of preaching, they seem to have conviction and passion for preaching and matured enough not to slip on that slippery slope.
Re: Clubbing, Going to Bars and Beaches
As I said earlier if we see evil we have an obligation to stop it.
To modify the fluffy reasons for going to such places ... One cannot go to clubs for clubbing and go to pubs for socialising or go to beaches for playing volleyball while knowing there to be nakedness there ... The only reason to go to any of these places is for dawah ...
So go to clubs but don't party with them and give them flyers of Islam ...
So go to pubs but don't socialise with them just give them flyers of Islam ...
So go to beaches but don't play volleyball cover them up with their beach towels then give them flyers of Islam ...
Otherwise we cannot go to such places in the excuse for representing Islam when we really want to be part of the crowd.