CJ stopped Mush & Shaukat from billion $ fraud

Those Farm lands were allotted by pat political thugs (BB and NS) to their goons. Purpose of those Farms were to grow vegetable for Islamabad. As I mentioned above, because those land cannot be used for any other purpose their value is nominal. But problem started when original allottees started using those farms as farm houses and sold them as farmhouses to others.

Rich bought them from original allottees and did not used them for farming vegetable but made them farmhouses for their picnic (it also increased the price of those lands from nominal value to a bit more, not similar to residential lands but still a tenth of that or so). Mush and SA bought their Farmhouses from those who already got them allotted from past thugs (NS and BB). What Iftikhar did was issued notices to all farm owners that they are misusing the land by making them farmhouses as their purpose is not farmhouse but vegetable farming.

So, you cannot call that corruption of Mush and SA, but their innocently overlooking the purpose attached to lands they bought.

There are too many kehkashan, too many scandals and too little time.

Is that why they were so afraid of the courts to decide the outcome? :hehe: Unfortunately, what you said has no credibility or truth, and is similar to your brilliant 175 seat PML[Q] prediction.

Musharraf and Shauky did obtain those lavish farmhouses illegally, everyone knows that.


Bring them all, and within time all will be proven as false.

Go tell this to the accused who dismissed the person hearing the cases illegally.

Great post Saleem. Man you know how to hit a home run :).

Unfortunately, no matter what you say, the socialists will continue their mantra of “mayen naa maanoo”.

My fear is that the socialists will one day dismantle the steel mill and actually sell off the land for commercial and housing projects. Off course then they will be proven right about Rs. billion worth of land. But then the steel mills will be no more!

Thats ur problem man, here u don’t read there u don’t hear.

USD 362 Million ( as of today) is equal to RS 24,344.50 Milllion

and just for ur information

As per the valuation land and facilites of the mill has market value of RS 25,755 Million, again for ur information this market value is for the year 1999.

I think i need to say no more.

anyonce can download the valuation from:

http://www.edb.gov.pk/Corporations/STEEL/Pak%20Steel.pdf

You can say what you like hani bro! In fact while we are at it, why won't you say steel mills has a value of Rs. 50 billion?

It is up to seller to put the asking price tag.

It is up to investors to see if the steel mills is worth the asking price. So far they aren't buying (or even close to the asking price). Unless off course you have 3 or 4 buyers lined up. Have you?

Did you read my post? :no:
Well, believe me, you are confused about market value of land :hehe:

Anyhow, let me tell you something. Worth of any land is dependent on permission of use for that land. If government would like to sell Faisal Mosque (Islamabad) with conditions that it cannot be demolished, purpose of Faisal Mosque use would not change, no shops or selling would be allowed on the Faisal Mosque premises, than Faisal Mosque would be worthless and land Faisal Mosque is built would be useless too.

Same is true for land PSM is built. The land is valueless unless government gives permission that owner of PSM could do anything with the land, even demolish PSM and convert that land into whatever they like. If that would not be the case than value of PSM would be dependent on what Steel Mill makes in profit (as Steel Mill is business venture, not charity for anyone who keep that Mill).

Other thing you should know is that, all lands used to build Steel Mill is leased land (on 100 years lease) and has permission for only one use (Steel Mill), so land has to be valued with that in mind and that means, it has at most nominal value.

Re: CJ stopped Mush & Shaukat from billion $ fraud

The land included the land where the actual steel mill is located? Or it included the Industrial Area land which PSM has given to various companies on 99 years lease?
Like Pak Suzuki, Omer Jibran, Hussian Engineering etc?

You should also know that the lease land does have a value of itself and in this scenario the leased land was fof 7000+ hect. having lime and someother minerals, near Thata dist.

whereas the 18000+ hect was/is wholly owned by the steel mill.

let me tell u buddy, the group i use to work for was interested in the transaction and i was part of the team which performed the due deligence of the steel mill.

We never presuaded the case , when we were informed by our soruces that Arif Habib Group will get the deal, so join, means corruption from the very beginning. we informed our superiors about the corruption and moved away, So instead of wasting time on this venture we moved on other business.

U openly claims for not reading the posts and u r asking me to read urs,

U post is read one read all, either it would be talking and twsiting facts for defending Mushy, or it would be against NS.

So why waste time to read ur comments.

what a joke!!!

That is why I did not commented on any post but on people claims that land price was suppose to be 20 million per acre as that is open market price in that area (and there were posts that claimed that and that claim to me is foolish, and that is what I wrote about in my post). As for you, you commented on my post without reading. My post was one issue post regardless of that issue mentioned in one post or all, but your post was specific. :)

and where did i said i have not red ur post.

Re: CJ stopped Mush & Shaukat from billion $ fraud

Lets also talk about the Chaudhry brothers' loan write offs at the orders of Shortcut Parachute. It was estimated that 53 billion in total were written off for his favorites at that time, including Kingpin Shujaat. The chaudhry brothers, in 1999 owed 16 billion.

Brother thanks :)

And yea, problem with some people is that they always think with mind of Zardari and Nawaz. They must be thinking that permission is not a big deal as for people like Zardari and Nawaz, they can do anything. If one buys Quaid Mazaar than also these thugs could give permission to build market there :)

Who knows, if thugs like Ganja would stay in power than instead of Jahangir Park in Lahore, we will see Ganja Hotel in place of Jahangir Park ... permission or no permission :)

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So far we have

i) Property Fraud
ii) Steel Mills Fraud
iii) Loan Write off Fraud

Lets add more to Shortcut's resume shall we?

Re: CJ stopped Mush & Shaukat from billion $ fraud

So far we have proof for...wait for it...none of them!

I am sorry … I just made a wrong guess :slight_smile:

Anyhow, there is Qabristan (graveyard) on Tariq Road, PECHS, Karachi. I think that if it was not Qabristan than it would be worth around Rs 1 billion. How much you think that Karachi government could sell that land on 100 years lease in auction with conditions that purpose of the land should never change, should not be used for any commercial purpose, and Qabristan should stay Qabristan?

If you were government advisor, what would be your advice? How much you would consider as fair value for land of that Qabristan (with all conditions of uses attached)? :khumar:

Hint: For ‘Rauf Klasra of Jang group’, that land would be worth Rs 1000 billion and for other Journalists, the land would be worth anywhere in between 1 billion and 1000 billion … though if Nawaz was selling that land on behalf of government and Kulsum Nawaz was buying, then all journalist would report the worth of that land as Rs 10 :slight_smile: