Civilian govt tells military to let them act against militants

It’s about time civilians showed some spine against the military.
However, as someone in the article said, “This is what we prayed to hear all our lives. Let’s see if it happens.”

Exclusive: Act against militants or face international isolation, civilians tell military - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: In a blunt, orchestrated and unprecedented warning, the civilian government has informed the military leadership of a growing international isolation of Pakistan and sought consensus on several key actions by the state.
As a result of the most recent meeting, an undisclosed one on the day of the All Parties’ Conference on Monday, at least two sets of actions have been agreed.
First, ISI DG Gen Rizwan Akhtar, accompanied by National Security Adviser Nasser Janjua, is to travel to each of the four provinces with a message for provincial apex committees and ISI sector commanders.
The message: military-led intelligence agencies are not to interfere if law enforcement acts against militant groups that are banned or until now considered off-limits for civilian action. Gen Akhtar’s inter-provincial tour has begun with a visit to Lahore.
Second, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has directed that fresh attempts be made to conclude the Pathankot investigation and restart the stalled Mumbai attacks-related trials in a Rawalpindi antiterrorism court.
Read: India links talks resumption to Pathankot probe
Those decisions, taken after an extraordinary verbal confrontation between Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif and the ISI DG, appear to indicate a high-stakes new approach by the PML-N government.
The following account is based on conversations with Dawn of individuals present in the crucial meetings this week.
All declined to speak on the record and none of the attributed statements were confirmed by the individuals mentioned.
Foreign secretary’s presentation

On Monday, on the day of the All Parties’ Conference, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry gave a separate, exclusive presentation in the Prime Minister’s Office to a small group of civil and military officials.
The meeting was chaired by Prime Minister Sharif and included senior cabinet and provincial officials. On the military side, ISI DG Rizwan Akhtar led the representatives.
The presentation by the foreign secretary summarised the results of the recent diplomatic outreach by Pakistan, the crux being that Pakistan faces diplomatic isolation and that the government’s talking points have been met with indifference in major world capitals.
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On the US, Mr Chaudhry said that relations have deteriorated and will likely further deteriorate because of the American demand that action be taken against the Haqqani network. On India, Mr Chaudhry stated that the completion of the Pathankot investigation and some visible action against Jaish-i-Mohammad were the principal demands.
Then, to a hushed but surprised room, Mr Chaudhry suggested that while China has reiterated its support for Pakistan, it too has indicated a preference for a change in course by Pakistan. Specifically, while Chinese authorities have conveyed their willingness to keep putting on technical hold a UN ban on Jaish-i-Mohammad leader Masood Azhar, they have questioned the logic of doing so repeatedly.
Extraordinary exchange

The foreign secretary’s unexpectedly blunt conclusions triggered an astonishing and potentially ground-shifting exchange between the ISI DG and several civilian officials.
In response to Foreign Secretary Chaudhry’s conclusions, Gen Akhtar asked what steps could be taken to prevent the drift towards isolation. Mr Chaudhry’s reply was direct and emphatic: the principal international demands are for action against Masood Azhar and the Jaish-i-Mohmmad; Hafiz Saeed and the Lashkar-e-Taiba; and the Haqqani network.
To that, Gen Akhtar offered that the government should arrest whomever it deems necessary, though it is unclear whether he was referring to particular individuals or members of banned groups generally. At that point came the stunning and unexpectedly bold intervention by Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif.
Addressing Gen Akhtar, the younger Sharif complained that whenever action has been taken against certain groups by civilian authorities, the security establishment has worked behind the scenes to set the arrested free. Astounded onlookers describe a stunned room that was immediately aware of the extraordinary, unprecedented nature of the exchange.
To defuse tensions, Prime Minister Sharif himself addressed Gen Akhtar and said that policies pursued in the past were state policies and as such they were the collective responsibility of the state and that the ISI DG was not being accused of complicity in present-day events.
PM’s strategy?

Several eyewitnesses to the incredible events of Monday believe that the foreign secretary’s presentation and Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif’s intervention were orchestrated by the prime minister to stir the military to action, leading to the decision to dispatch the ISI DG on an inter-provincial tour.
Yet, according to the accounts shared with Dawn, the sparring between the ISI DG and civilian officials did not degenerate into acrimony.
Earlier in the meeting, ISI DG Gen Akhtar stated that not only is it the military’s policy to not distinguish between militant groups, but that the military is committed to that policy prevailing. The ISI chief did mention concerns about the timing of action against several groups, citing the need to not be seen as buckling to Indian pressure or abandoning the Kashmiri people.
Gen Akhtar also readily agreed to tour the provinces at the direction of the prime minister, issue fresh orders to ISI sector commanders and meet with provincial apex committees to chalk out specific actions that need to be taken in various provinces.
According to several government officials, Monday’s confrontation was part of a high-stakes gamble by Prime Minister Sharif to try and forestall further diplomatic pressure on Pakistan. In separate meetings with the army chief, participants describe an animated and energised Mr Sharif, who has argued that Pakistan faces real isolation if policy adjustments are not made.
Government officials, however, are divided about whether Prime Minister Sharif’s gamble will pay off. According to one official, commenting on the ISI DG’s commitments, “This is what we prayed to hear all our lives. Let’s see if it happens.”
Another government official offered: “Wait till November to see if action will be taken. By then a lot of things will be settled.”
Meanwhile, the spokesman of the PM Office has denied the content of the story published in the Daily Dawn of 6 Oct 16, regarding “purported deliberations” in a meeting on the security issues. The spokesman has termed the contents of the story not only speculative but misleading and factually incorrect. Dispelling the impression created by the newspaper, the spokesman said that the intelligence agencies particularly ISI are working in line with the state policy in the best interest of the nation both at the federal and provincial levels to act against terrorists of all hue and colour without any discrimination Indeed the Army’s and ISI’s role and contributions towards implementation of NAP have been proactive and unwavering.
Military officials declined to comment.

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This is our real tragedy . Army is ruling or if not ruling , doing conspiracies against legitimate governments even killing the leaders , journalists , social workers and writers , poets in the past . Still protecting terrorist , Not allowing dialog with so called nationalist rivals . Doing businesses , also acting like land grabber mafia in some cases .

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Talking about the civilians who has been protecting terrorists in Punjab and who was supporting terrorists in Sindh. it was the leaders of PMLN and PPP.

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So called Terrorists in Punjab were as much supported by Army as Civilians. They all were Army’s created any ways and Civilians though have made grave mistakes in past are willing to move on, question is if Tunnel vision so called masters of Pakistan are ready to move on ?

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Civilian Govts of PPP and PMLN had sidelines MQM until Army rulers came in and things like May 12 happened! The Punjab based groups are well known for their trainings and factories for so called Jihad. Army cant run away and if people still want to blame elected civilian Govts here, than I can only shame on you!

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And those who paying them millions dollars from Public money in KPK

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catch them as well but dont try always to derail the issue to protect the ones you worship on daily basis

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You brought it to the parties

I don’t worship , I am clear that only PPP is in position to strengthen Pakistan .
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Read the red and blue lines. The last blue line shows that how the country is still being f$&$&d up by the rulers with absolute power. It means that what India and America are saying is the truth. Pakistani army is still nurturing certain terrorist groups. As in the past these will ultimately bite the arses of same people who are now nurturing and protecting them. For God sake get rid of this strategic asset. They are now liabilities for the country where people of Pakistan and Pakistan is continuously suffering.

I give credit to SS for blunt and honest in responding to the ISI boss. It is a shame Pakistan is still being run by the ideology imposed by Zia-ul-Haq and his hawari.

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Bone of contention… civil law enforcement capturing militant of banned outfits… but ISI putting pressure on civil LEA to release them… this is what happened in all party conference…

Problem is… Zarb e Azab is only against those Taliban… who deviate from agencies… good Taliban are still getting safe shield from ISI…

Speech by Aitizaz Ahson .. Pakistan should take action against Hafiz Saeed, JeM, LeT… These outfits are kalang ka teeka on Pakistan…

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Read my post #9](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=9) 's red and blue lines. That is the main reason that NS is now acting like an arse hole and going after the journalist purely on the dhanda of ISI chief. What kind of PM is this? Can’t he take some stand what he and his brother SS discussed earlier with the army? sala pm hay ke khalaasi?

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**If it is a National Security issue why should Journalists be spared that is been happening in the rest of the free World why not in Pakistan?

wiki leaks comes to mind!
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True only Sabir Shakir, Samee Ibrahim, Arif Bhatti, Arshad Sharif and Shahid Masood is allowed to do so and they are doing so by quoting sources inside GHQ…where news is like…Pindi boys are angry…Pindi boys ate thinking this… GHQ is now planning this…
Army chief have clearly warned PM…etc

If anyone else is going to do so…then yes as per copy right act, he should be behind the bars

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That is totally a failed security issue. Trying such failed approach again and again though not harming the army but it definitely harming the common people of Pakistan. No where in the world any such policy is adopted where common people are made escape goats and the whole country suffers. PM should take stand on it. Why civilian government has to suffer because of fup foreign policy of the military?

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You think they will easily give up the power they have enjoyed for decades??? let the elections of 2018 come in, let it go through 2023… and that would be the time that Generals would be talking to Defense Sec or would be feeling honored on meeting Defense Minister…

but for that, political govt have to deliver, Power Projects, Revival of economy all have to be worked upon… and to create bumps, likes of Imran Khan would be around…

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**All Pakistani Politicians we know are only in Pakistan to Loot the country big time no one can deny that right, they will leave the country on a moments notice! to go where there Loot is!

only patriots Pakistan has is the Army because they alone lay their lives on the line! Good bad or Ugly the Army is Pakistans only protector! remember that! ****Sachaydino
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Mushy is politician or general?

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Are you sure what you are saying? History is telling otherwise. There are many corruption cases surfaced in media against army generals and high ups. Why do you only blame politicians?

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Are you guys sure you want the military to be answerable to these CORRUPT and Traitor type of parties and thugs who treat pakistan as a looting place and then run away to dubai, usa, uk etc? Seriously?
If that’s what you guys want these traitors and india/hindu-lovers will sell everything to them and leave you just like syria, iraq, etc. Is that what you want just to see the military and intelligence to be answerable and bow before corrupt thugs ??

God help us if that’s what you support and desire. I seriously cannot understand why u are supporting corrupt thugs(entire families of rulers) who’re just rising inflation and looting n establishing their personal empires and businesses only. Are you a product or one of them? Only that way can u support these thugs and looters. This is not democracy, this is lootacracy and corruptacracy.

Yes there may be corruption amongst some people in the military but at least as institutions they’re tasked with protecting Pak borders as well as interior threats. If this fauj goes under let me assure you won’t have a country left as usa/india will surely attack and reduce you just like syria, iraq, etc. Do u seriously want that? I don’t.