Re: CIA Report Finds American Dominance Ends in 15 Years
seminole, tanks rarely think.
anyway, personally. I believe there will be an islamic state/force, but maybe not for some time. Still waiting for someone to arrives on the scene, then its party time. woohoo.
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Interesting (though at times bitter) discussion friends, obviously there are some strong opinions here. Arguments can be made on both sides. After all, how can one trust the CIA, the almighty body that said Saddam's WMD's were a "slam dunk case?" Additionally, the eventual departure of Bush might signal the end of the present order. The fear is that he would have so permanently caused fissures in the world that no one would care what America would say.
America is increasingly becoming an evangelical country (going back to its roots); somehow the Republicans have convinced the people that Jesus was pro-Guns, pro-War and pro-Corporations. While they may mean well, their foray into Iraq will beget a disaster and they will be forced, in humiliating fashion, to ask the EU and UN for help (I'm not an America-basher, I love this country, it's just the facts).
Muslims are simply playing the waiting game with the Americans. 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? Islam has been around longer than the United States and because America has cast its lot with Israel, it will lose. The wild card here is that if god-willing there is peace between the Arabs and Israel, the Americans will still be the odd man out because of their actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and animosity with Iran and Syria.
In the long term, India, China, the EU, Latin American nations and African nations will not fear engaging Islam. They will say to the US, we've seen your approach, now look at ours. What with outsourcing, a weakening currency, unprecedented national debt, trade deficits and one party rule, the stranglehold of America will lessen. The only question is if this will happen in our lifetimes or beyond but happen it shall. By the way, for those of you waiting for a Khilafa, let's just say it would be wise to keep your options open.
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^ The sanest post in a long time.
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Such reports are produced to give policy makers a heads up of potential shifts occuring in the short term-long term global scene.
The reports wrappes up by saying the America will face increasing challages from Europe, Asia, the middle east, and others. It goes onto say that "The United States will nevertheless retain enormous advantages, playing a political role across the broad rage of issues-economic, technological, political, and military-that no other state can or will match by 2020. Even as the existing order is threatened, the United States will have many opportunities to fashion a new one."
Innovation and adaptation isn't just the tools which allow the U.S. to dominate the world economy, it's what made it a political and military super power and it will be what keeps it one.
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^^ UTD the Ummah has a Magic carpet and a genie in the lamp. Does U.S? Now whose more superior, Ummah or the U.S?
Our supersonic f16s cant catch a magic carpet.CIA should do some more research.
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As long as there are EHMs (Economic Hit Men) a la John Perkins, American economic dominance would continue.......Given that US maintains its influence over international financial institution and orgs......
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Intresting points but i don’t think the waiting game is any good muslims waited long enough more than 80 years how more longer should they wait and are they allowed by shariah to wait they are not because in shariah you have limit of 3 days and 2 nights to select a leader of a state if opportunity is around the corner it should be taken immediatly its a duty.
The EU is same as the US they are capitalist correct they have the same political goals and agenda similar to the US you think Europe is muslim friendly no way which of these countries has any intention of supporting muslims and thier cause lets look at them France, UK, Germany and Italy which of these do you think will be on the sides of the muslims when they need it absolutley none of them.
the muslims cannot not rely on any kuffar for support or trust them with thier lives at all.
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^ brother AK47 is right...muslims kill more muslims than any kuffar ever could
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But Matsui Uncle...Muslim blood is cheaper so it comes out to be the same.
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PNAC will not allow this to happen. So taht means more wars. Interesingly enough more people are seeing the nazi elements in th current administration.
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By the time the USA loses control of it's 'Pax Americana Ideology' and world dominance in line with it's capitalist way. The world will most probably have ended due to a Hydrogen bomb being detonated by the States.
There is no way the States will lose control of the world before screwing the world up first. If they are going down, they are bringing everyone else down first!
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I am waiting fo r Abdali and CM to give me Macroecomic and financial postulates with data to back up as to when this opinion piece is gonna come true. 
Come on girls…put that community college ecucation to work. 
Here is a nugget…think abou t it before you respond. If the Eu had to pay for it’s defense on a competitive basis vis-a-vis the US, what would that do to the people dying in heat waves over the summer in france. …think about it hard and come back because any mistake and I will tear you a new one. tata!! 
Oh and you can hold Thap’s hand to figure out in terms of how many camels it takes to bring back the Saudi ecomomy back to $20000 per capita from it’s current $4,000 a year using price gauging on oil. *Hint hint
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wait a sec here
CIA report shows end of US domination and oue usual suspects are al giddy like school girls about it.
CIA report shows terroist tendincies in some nations and the usual suspects get bent out of shape.
so which is it, CIA knows what it is doing or it does not know what it is doing, if we are not to accept its words on the designs of ppl like Saddam and the need to disarm him, why do we take CIA's words about this :)
I think Matsui's link there is a fantastic resource for those who can read.
and why do Europeans continue to think of europe as a model entity? for native europeans maybe, but the overall standard of living of immigrants, as well as involvement in the big picture is way behind that of US.
And lets not make china and India to be mini-US, they are growing fast kudos to them .. but an influence even close to that of US..I dont think so. I actually think that they are smart and will cooperate rather than go on a collision course. The world economies are highly integrated and the big players as well as up and comers know that they have to play the game with all parties.
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Once again, I don't believe anything the CIA has to say. If the Rand corp. or Brookings stated this there is more credibility. The CIA has none.
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All things come to an end including the amerikkkan colonialism
The roman empire died a death and never returned
The British empire ceased to exist and now you have only little britain
The wall of communism came crashing down and died and is not coming back
The islamic state was neutralised in 1924 but unfortunatly for the west its coming back to a state near you !
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islamic state was not really "islamic" in 1924, and as far as it being nuetralized, it had become a marginal player ages ago, but thats a whole diff argument.
all things come to an ene eventually, some sooner rather than later, but the dominance of some continues for a much longer period than others. heck potugal was once a colonial power, so was spain, germany, france, italy...desion ka nazla toh great britain par hi girta hai, but well at one time the khilafat was a colonial empire as well.
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The khilafah was colonial empire? do you even know what the world colonialism means look it up before branding islamic state colonial.
The colonial empire steal the wealth of other nations and bleed them dry taking the wealth back to the empire heartland as an example the British bled indian sub continent dry and the wealth was taken back to London wheras the islamic state was the opposite the wealth was distributed where it was needed not kept in one particular capital or kept by one group like the british.
even if it was powerless in its last stages its legislation was islamic and valid up untill 1924 after this it ceased.
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ak47
The ottoman empire which you lot insist on calling a caliphate was a weak monarchy which had series issues and was imploding due to dirty politics inside as well as issues within the empire. The misgivings that the arabs had against turks were due to their feelings of biased treatment in all walks of life, that is among the key reasons that they were so easy to persuade to go against the turks.
So in the views of many people who were subjects of the empire, it was a colonial empire.
legislation islamic? I mean the very basic i.e. how the ruler was chosen was not islamic, let alone anything else. The drinking and whoring that went on in the palaces of the sultans was niether a hidden piece of info, nor was it a one off thing.
I would gladly look up a dictionary, if you can look up some more sources of info about the ottoman empire, heck forget western, read accounts by muslim historians.
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Was you was a witness or you basing this on anti islamic literature of which you will find many hundreds in western institutions, today if you see a muslim drinking and whoring is this is enough for you to label the entire islamic state bankrupt and immoral word of advise orientalist attacks are nothing new.
This image of harems of thousand womens and sword weilding crazy guys is cartoons in orientalist books, the reasons for distruction of islamic state was not drinking of alcohol it was many other reasons including abandoning of ijtihad and the seperation of the arabic language.
the official date 3rd March 1924 was destruction of islamic state if you want to discuss semantics that it was not on this date it was before this then go ahead.
The empires have fallen and the destruction of capitalism will also happenl just as communism has in the near future inshallah none of these empires have returned one will return i wonder whcih one the west fears will return hmmmmmmmmm!
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Interesting report. I feel that as long as America's policy is underscored with unmactched militray zing, they will stay on top.
The article itself states that "The US is likely to remain the most powerful induvidual country" or something like that, its just a relative decline in power. Ie other states are growing in power.
That is obvious, esp United EU and China.
It will be some time before America is not the leading global power. Perhaps by 2050 China will have overtaken it....no time soon.