CIA Involvement in Pakistan

[Sandninjer]

Re: CIA Involvement in Pakistan

@Doppleganger

Isn’t it in islam that start helping your relatives first i.e. charity begins at home. I think the only exception that I know is of marriage where you aren’t forced to cousin marriages.

What makes you think that palestine, egypt etc would LIKE to received our help? Many of them consider us a fake country aka INDIANS. China doesn’t get overly involved in other people’s lives, but with its greater economic weight, many are running to them from america to africa to afghanistan for economic and political help. Musharraf, on the other hand, was snubbed when he decided to inject himself as an interlocutor by the saudis when a deal with palestinean factions was taking place.

And that’s exactly what I’m talking about. People are too proud for their own good. The simple fact is that had we not allowed ourselves to be so divided over trivial matters, the Ummah would’ve continued to live through its golden days of technological, medical, and philosophical advancement. Today, people raise the same argument that you’re raising, “Why should we receive help from them? They never helped us”, which is exactly my point. The only way the Ummah (not just Pakistan) is gonna move forward is to let go of these petty, old differences. We were divided a long, long time ago and we continue to live like that without any regard to how powerful we could once again be. Then again, it’s too late for that now.

Also to note, I don’t necessarily mean establishing a new khilafah when I talk about the Ummah’s unity. Pakistan, along with several other Muslim nations, have the capacity to rule the world as its financial leaders. This is something that has been taken advantage of for over a century by others who seek to claim that power.

@Doppleganger

I also saw this in a program with imran khan in a town hall setting where this really old uncle decided to ask him about what he would do for the muslim ummah as a leader of Pakistan? This is why I like Hassan Nisar, because he would have put this guy straight unlike Imran by showing him the mirror of Pakistan.

Perhaps true, as I’m not familiar with Hassan Nisar, but I still see Imran Khan as the best thing for Pakistan in decades. People need a leader with heart, whether he’s perfect or not, they need someone who truly loves them. You can make mistakes as a leader, but if your people trust you and know you love them, they’ll be a lot more forgiving. It’s not easy for someone with his ideals to get into the position of power he’s in, and I have family members who work very closely with him.

@Doppleganger

EDIT: 0+0+0+0+0… infinity you get the picture ? :lol: We can’t make OIC work, yet we talk about fantasies of khilafat that actually didn’t work out back then (READ Hazrat Ali and Imam Muawiya’s conflict for one…).

I know very well the story about the conflict between Hazrat Ali, radiyallahu anhu, and Imam Muawiya. The concept of a khilafah is an ideal, not some type of divine intervention that once established, God will erase all crime and sin. There will always be people that have no control of their nafs, people bent on power and selfishness, and just because a system of rule wasn’t successful in creating the perfect society, that doesn’t mean it’s fair to discredit it as a whole. But if you’re going to compare the disunity between the Ummah from back then to today, there’s a huge difference. Today we have Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Wahhabis, Ahmadis, Ismailis, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Kurds, and God Knows what else.

Ahadith make mention of a time where the Earth will in fact be filled with peace during the time of hazrat Iesa alaihi sallam. So as far as fantasy, I find ahadith hardly being fantasy. I’ll agree that that’s not the world we live in today, but times are changing, and they’re changing fast. The least we can do is for us to individually realize that there are no borders between Muslims. When we all go to a masjid or go for Hajj or Umrah, are we not all dressed similarly and standing side by side in unison?