WASHINGTON: The Central Investigation Agency (CIA) has established its own spy network in Pakistan, a US newspaper has quoted an official, as saying.
According to the US official, the CIA established its spy network in Pakistan's tribal areas during the last two years.
A summit of spymasters that was held this week eased tensions, but failed to resolve issues over US drone attacks and espionage, which have imperilled the vital relationship between the CIA and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), The News quoted a US official, as telling a news agency.
The US said that the CIA had established an information-gathering network in Pakistan's tribal areas, and that the ISI collaboration was no longer required to specify targets for drone strikes, Dunya News reported.
According to the newspaper, the US authorities told Pakistan that neither drone strikes would be stopped nor an explanation would be given to the Asian nation for each attack.
The US intelligence agency is willing to expand consultations with Pakistan over drone operations, American officials said following a meeting between CIA Director Leon Panetta and ISI chief Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha on Monday.
But Pakistan's demands for a drastic reduction in drone attacks are unacceptable, as are suggestions that the United States should return to a Bush-era policy, limiting the strikes to "high-value" militant targets, the officials said.
"Panetta has an obligation to protect the American people and he isn't going to call an end to any operations that support that objective," one American official said.
US officials also worry that Islamabad has been slowing routine rotations of American personnel, including spies, diplomats and military trainers, which could become a serious drag on routine and secret US activities in the region.
Despite public protestations by Islamabad over US drone strikes in its militancy-infested tribal region, Pakistan hopes that the United States will move ahead with long-stalled plans to supply a fleet of the remotely piloted aircraft, according to a source familiar with its wish-list.
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Explains alot about the KHUD-KUSH attacks on shrines and other public places.. indeed US is there and they do enjoy giving others blood-bath....
how does having a info nw explain Pak teenage kids being radicalized by false religious fervor? as the latest guy captured said, beardos come and prey on these kids.
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how does having a info nw explain Pak teenage kids being radicalized by false religious fervor? as the latest guy captured said, beardos come and prey on these kids.
Because there's no accountability, we have NO idea who is a part of the spy/subversion network.
It doesn't make sense for the ISI to be supporting people who attack them...that's a conspiracy theory whose time has come and gone. That there are so many Pakistanis willing to believe that the Paksitani military establishment has no control over the ISI, or the ISI is hell bent on supporting people who recruit suicide bombers to be deployed on Pak soil is simply put: retarded.
Now, foreign powers have a history of sewing discord...divide and rule. This is an established tactic...now if the CIA is conducting operations in Pakistan without Pak approval, and without any kind of oversight, then who the hell knows what they are up to.
I for one still think that there is still intelligence sharing going on. The CIA spy network is probably working in tandem with the ISI...or at least I would like to think this. Anything else means that the US is in a defacto state of war with Pakistan...and rather than fight the war, the Pak establishment is all to happy to continue to plunder the nation before it is dissolved.
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But it is not unfathomable that CIA does have an independent network, is it? I mean they had a parallel network even in the soviet afghan war and I have read numerous news reports that old assets are being activated again from their retired status to be deployed in AfPak. I think one thing that America has learned over the course of the war is the value of contacts and human intelligence and newly minted teenagers weren't really cutting it for the Americans.
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@picoico - so what you are saying is nobody knows...if this...if that.... None of that even remotely connects anything foreign to the kamikaze suicide bombers.
On the other hand there are first party accounts that clearly establish the link between the religious fundamentalists of Pakistan to the recruitment, training and deployment of these bombers.
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On the other hand there are first party accounts that clearly establish the link between the religious fundamentalists of Pakistan to the recruitment, training and deployment of these bombers.
Do you know how AlQaida was started? And how Alqaida operates "now"?
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@picoico - so what you are saying is nobody knows...if this...if that.... None of that even remotely connects anything foreign to the kamikaze suicide bombers.
Yes...if this, if that...statements predicated on conditions being satisfied. Absolute knowledge is not one of them.
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On the other hand there are first party accounts that clearly establish the link between the religious fundamentalists of Pakistan to the recruitment, training and deployment of these bombers.
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LOL...as if they were informed of real intentions...13 year olds will hardly be in the position to judge what the true motives were. Perhaps things are as they appear...however when you couple this with information of foreign agents involved in spy/subversive operations...then things take a twist, don't they? Or do we stick our heads in the sand and pretend like it's not possible...as I said, past history gives us reason and cause to be cynical.
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kese nay note keya hay ka US emmbassy islamabad mein katny ziada american bathey howay hain, keya yeh sarey safeer hain? keya yah diplomacy key leya aye howay hein? again, no can question america because $$$ to cheap pakis!!
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Yes...if this, if that...statements predicated on conditions being satisfied. Absolute knowledge is not one of them.
LOL...as if they were informed of real intentions...13 year olds will hardly be in the position to judge what the true motives were. Perhaps things are as they appear...however when you couple this with information of foreign agents involved in spy/subversive operations...then things take a twist, don't they? Or do we stick our heads in the sand and pretend like it's not possible...as I said, past history gives us reason and cause to be cynical.
nobody can have absolute knowledge of such matters, but reasonable validation must exist. In this case all we hear and see is people accusing with NOT an iota of validation provided even though the charges have been going on for years. The one time your press claimed your PM has 'given MM Singh a dossier', it turns out that never happened!
Over time, this has been repeated so many times that you guys have lost the ability to be skeptical about conspiracy theorists.
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nobody can have absolute knowledge of such matters, but reasonable validation must exist.
History sets a presecdence. And when it comes to the safeguarding of the community at wide, you typically don't presume all is fine and well...I'm talking about precautions against subversion, afterall...not making a case that can be tried in the court of law.
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In this case all we hear and see is people accusing with NOT an iota of validation provided even though the charges have been going on for years.
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The circumstnatial evidence is there. Your demand for "validation" is a bit flippant...perahps because it's not your community under threat. In any case, one need not much validation to merely cast a quesitoning eye. There's already enough double speak and spin surrounding the mission in Pakistan to question everything said. That does not require an iota of hard facts to validate particular claims; it's sufficient to realize that not everything is as it seems. Those who think otherwise are merely practicing self delusion.
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Over time, this has been repeated so many times that you guys have lost the ability to be skeptical about conspiracy theorists.
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Conspiracy theorists are diffferent....they make hard claims without facts. Those totally satisfied with the status quo are the opposite...they demand proof for self evident truths.