Christmas customs

i would like to make this Forum a bit more diverse, for the purposes of hopefully getting all of us to respect other customs. We’ve read a great deal regarding Ramadan, another major religious ‘event’ is coming up. So if there are any Christian Guppies out there reading this who would feel comfortable, i would love to hear any of your favourite Christmas customs. What do you really do on Christmas eve? What do you do on Christmas day? As a child, what were your most memorable memories of Christmas? Is it mandatory for Christians to attend Mass on Christmas day? Is there some sort of special foods that must be eaten on Christmas day - i heard one of my friends say she’s having turkey dinner with her family. Is that common?

Let’s try to understand what goes on in other religious fesitivities so that we can begin to respect this diversity and hopefully increase our knowledge as well.

Muchas gracias amigos.

How many among Christians remember it as something related to Christ?

I think Santa Clause is the man of christmas :)?

I would like to hear the views of Christians on it too:flower1:

Okay, this thread can take two separate directions:-

i) first are personal memories of Christmas customs (these being personal memories, like opening gifts etc, they don’t have to discuss anything specifically related to Christianity - just the same as Muslims have cultural customs attached with Eid/Ramadan, that have nothing to do with Islam, very strictly speaking)

ii) history of Christmas - this can be the whole discussion revolving around Prophet Jesus (may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him). Waisay speaking of Santa Clause - i read somewhere that the whole Santa Clause thing originates from a European religious figure - something like a priest or something? During the late 1600s (i THINK) who used to leave gifts outside of poor childrens’ homes. :confused: Now i’m confused as to whether that’s folklore or history. Maybe that was the person referred to as St. Nick?

Memories of Christmas: The larger family get together (either from mother/father's side) with everyone bringing something for the dining table. My father used to let us play with a small furry dog that was wound up in order to move and bark. Lights and streamers were hanged in the lounge. Later, when we were teenagers, Christmas was toned down to only some special large socks into which everyone put small inexpensive gifts (sweets, books, comics, and other small things), with no-one knowing who gave what.

Christmas facts/fiction: St. Nick was the originator of Christmas (according to some sources). Some countries in Europe have variations on the origin.

Personal view: I believe it is necessary for children to fantasies. It helps them to have a healthy imagination and be creative. Parents that do not believe in Christmas being the birthday of Jesus Christ, should bring up their children in the knowledge that Santa is a fictional person same as the tooth fairy and dwarves while not taking away the child's enjoyment of the situation. A very thin line indeed. As children we were told that Christmas was not Jesus' birthday since no-one knows the exact date, but we celebrate the fact that he was born at all. As children we were confronted with fairy tales and the tooth mouse bring coins when we lost teeth, but as soon as we could understand we were told that all were fictional characters. Knowing all to be fictional characters, we still enjoyed fantasizing about these characters. In fact, I enjoy these fictional characters even today!

**Since Christ was not born on December 25th, then how did this particular day come to be a part of the church calendar?

History has the answer. Instead of this day being the time of Christ's birth, it was the very day and season on which the pagans for centuries had celebrated the birth of the Sun-god!** A study into history shows how far apostate church leaders went in their effort to merge Christianity and paganism into one apostate religion, even to placing the birth of Christ on a date to harmonize with the pagan birthday celebration of the sun-god!

The sun had won another fight and so pagan culture had festivals and feasts on this day. It was celebrated in China, in India, in South America, in Mexico, in Africa and in many other cultures. There were presents exchanged, green trees decorated in honor of the sun-god and great celebrating.

**When Christianity gained influence in the fifth century they outlawed the pagan holiday with little success. Finally they adopted the holiday into the church and changed the words and meanings of the festivities to fit with "christianity". It took many years to effect this. It took much propaganda and it took many penalties and reprisals against those who continued with the old festival but eventually the "christian" community won the day. Then there was a change from the Gregorian calendar to the present day calendar, and with that change Christmas or the Solstice shifted a few days so that December 25th became officially recognized as a Christian day.

It was in the fifth century that the Roman Catholic Church commanded that the birth of Christ be observed forever on December 25th, the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol, one of the names of the sun-god!**

In pagan days, this birth of the sun-god was especially popular among the branch of the "mysteries" known as Mithraism. Concerning this we read: "The largest pagan religious cult which fostered the celebration of December 25th as a holiday throughout the Roman and Greek worlds was the pagan sun worship, Mithraism. Their winter festival was called 'the Nativity', the "nativity of the SUN".4 And not only was Mithra, the sun-god of Mithraism, said to be born at this time of the year, but Osiris, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, Jupiter, Tammuz, and other sun-gods were also supposedly born at what is today called the "Christmas" season, the winter solstice!5

Says a noted write: the "winter solstice (was) the time at which all the sun-gods from Osiris to Jupiter and Mithra had celebrated their (birthdays), the celebration being adorned with the pine tree of Adonis, the holly of Saturn, and the mistletoe.. ..tapers represented the kindling of the newborn sun-god's fire..."6

Tertullian, one of the early church fathers, mentions that the practice of exchanging gifts at this season was a part of the pagan Roman Saturnalia. When this mid-winter festival was adopted into the Roman church, this custom was also adopted. As usual, however, apostate leaders tried to find some point of similarity between paganism and Christianity - to make the merger seem less obvious. In this case, reference was made to the fact that the wise men, when they came to see the Christ-child, presented to him gifts. Some suppose that this is where the custom of exchanging gifts at Christmas time came. But not so! The wisemen did not exchange gifts among themselves. They presented their gifts to JESUS who was born king of the Jews. (It was an Eastern custom to present gifts when coming into the presence of the King). But these gifts were not birthday gifts. When the wisemen arrived, it was some time after the day on which Jesus was born. By this time, he was no longer in a stable, but in a HOUSE (Matt. 2:9-11). Obviously, the gifts of the wisemen were not Christmas gifts.

*Other pagan practices that are included in the holiday of Christmas are the use of the round wreath, the mistletoe, the use of the Yule log, the wassail bowl, holly, red berries, Santa Claus, the undue commercialism of the season, the use of candles during the holiday, etc. The wassailing bowl of Christmas had its precise counterpart in the "Drunken festival" of Babylon. The candles, in some parts of England, lighted on Christmas-eve, and used as long as the festive season lasts, were equally lighted by the Pagans on the eve of the festival of the Babylonian god, to do honor to him; for it was one of the distinguishing peculiarities of his worship to have lighted wax candles on his altars. *

www.logosresourcepages.org/chrismas.html

[besides, jesus christ is a myth, if some have not woken up yet]

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*Originally posted by The Old Man: *
Memories of Christmas: The larger family get together (either from mother/father's side) with everyone bringing something for the dining table. My father used to let us play with a small furry dog that was wound up in order to move and bark. Lights and streamers were hanged in the lounge. Later, when we were teenagers, Christmas was toned down to only some special large socks into which everyone put small inexpensive gifts (sweets, books, comics, and other small things), with no-one knowing who gave what.

Christmas facts/fiction: St. Nick was the originator of Christmas (according to some sources). Some countries in Europe have variations on the origin.

Personal view: I believe it is necessary for children to fantasies. It helps them to have a healthy imagination and be creative. Parents that do not believe in Christmas being the birthday of Jesus Christ, should bring up their children in the knowledge that Santa is a fictional person same as the tooth fairy and dwarves while not taking away the child's enjoyment of the situation. A very thin line indeed. As children we were told that Christmas was not Jesus' birthday since no-one knows the exact date, but we celebrate the fact that he was born at all. As children we were confronted with fairy tales and the tooth mouse bring coins when we lost teeth, but as soon as we could understand we were told that all were fictional characters. Knowing all to be fictional characters, we still enjoyed fantasizing about these characters. In fact, I enjoy these fictional characters even today!
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The Old Man,

It is soooooooooooooooooooooo wonderful to see you posting here again. i miss your thoughtful, mature posts so much. i hope you are here to stay.

i loved reading about how you used to spend Christmas when you were younger. It gave life to this thread. Thank you for sharing that.

If you have anymore warm/memorable Christmas memories, please do share them in this thread. i can relate to the part about fictional characters because whenever i read particular books by certain authors (Enid Blyton for instance), when i was around 5-10 years old, i felt the same way towards the fictional characters. It was part of a child's natural creativity and imagination i think.

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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *It is soooooooooooooooooooooo wonderful to see you posting here again.
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I never left :) Just very busy, but visit Gupshup at least every other day.

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i can relate to the part about fictional characters because whenever i read particular books by certain authors (Enid Blyton for instance), when i was around 5-10 years old, i felt the same way towards the fictional characters. It was part of a child's natural creativity and imagination i think.
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Wonderful writer (Enid Blyton) and I still remember the Famous 5! Later in life I moved on to Tolkien and other. The university I studied engineering at (same as the one attended by catwoman) used to test all first year and final year engineering students as to their creative ability. They found that the students lost more than 2/3'rd of their creative power/reasoning from first to last year of studies because they are taught scientific & engineering rules to work by. They later created a compulsory subject for the duration to try and compensate for the loss.

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soul: Obviously, the gifts of the wisemen were not Christmas gifts
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Your pasted piece is fairly accurate. Something few people (even Christians) knew is that the visits of the wise men and the shepherds were about 2 years apart according to the Bible:

The shepherds visited Jesus when he was a just born baby in Bethlehem in a manger. The wise men visited Jesus when he was a very young child in Nazareth in a house. The shepherds were to be witnesses as to where and when he was born. The wise men needed to give Joseph, his adoptive father, the means to escape to Egypt for two years in order to not be killed by King Herod.

Most Christians wrongly believe/know Jesus' birth, visit of wise men and shepherds all to be in Bethlehem.

Christmas, i when my family is together. They come from all over the world, for atleast four or five days. Never missed it.

And of course, midnight mass, good food and presents.

Going back home on 24th again.

It is the homecoming festival now for all of us.

I'm not a Christian but have been celebrating Christmas since childhood due to studying in a Christian missionary school.

My favorite is carol singing. When I was kid we would go up and down the hills, house to house, and sing in the cold. People would call us in and give us cocoa and popcorn.

Nowadays it's a more grown up affair. There's hot punch and hors d'oevres and it's all indoors around a blazing fire and piano. I could sing all night if my throat didn't crack up.

Boxing day is always turkey dinner with old friends. A few years back I was in B'lore and I attended midnight mass at this church...it's the most famous one and it was simply beautiful, I forget the name.

I love Christmas. I feel some electricity in the air (yes Soul, it could be psychological damage from constant reinforcing of mythical tales). In any case I cannot imagine not celebrating it and the more traditional stuff I get in, the better. :)

I’ve come across many x-mas customs. What I’m curious about is Hannukah. What do the jews do to celebrate this event and when is it celebrated? History behind it?

p.s. Sorry for derailing your thread Nadia :flower1:

This is a very interesting thread.

The Old Man, i am glad you never left gupshup. i honestly believe you are one of the extremely, extremely few thoughtful mature guppies around here and i value your opinions greatly. You never lose your cool when replying in the threads, that is something i have admired since the first time i read your post.

CocoNut, Stop derailing my thread :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley: :flower1: just joshing. By the way, where’s my lilted flower?

BTW, you can ask about anything you want in any thread of mine and you can derail it as often as you want. i don’t mind.

Karina, yes i was going to ask about carols singing! i wonder how that particular custom started?

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Nadia_H: Is it mandatory for Christians to attend Mass on Christmas day? Is there some sort of special foods that must be eaten on Christmas day - i heard one of my friends say she's having turkey dinner with her family. Is that common?
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There is no mandatory meal for Christmas time. All depends on the culture/customs. In fact, there is no mandatory meal for Christians at all, except for the Lord's Supper/Holy Communion. Lot's of people in South Africa (warm country during Christmas) are changing there food from warm to cold meats and salads.

Nadia- I have no idea how carol singing started, and why. It's a way of bonding with community I guess? :)

Don’t forget the Eggnog, its like drinking paint but it’s tasty.

Xmas eve..

Visiting family and friends...often those you don't see very often. A get-together.

Xmas trivia.......game.....

A fun thing we do is bring white elephant gifts....and with cards.... Ace of Spade being the highest....

trade between each other...

The ones with the higher cards can take the gift-prize from the other...

Sad last xmas... I brought nice..yet semi-cheap cooking present... and my little 3 year old niece chose it...she cried.. :(

recipes and ingredients...

But maybe learned something.

Shame on me. I knew she wouldn't like that..and I advised in advance..but she couldn't resist large fancy wrapped package.

And...so.. I stole her gift and gave her something she would like.

Lesson was... not abundance. It was about appeciating what you get.