Christianity

Who can say that whatever changes occured in Christianity (or any other subsequent religion for that matter) were not inspired and planned by God? Can all of God's plans, thoughts, rules, history and benevolence fit into one book? Are spirituality, morality and rightheousness in today's world defined only by a book that tried to explain the same complex message to uneducated sheep farmers thousands of years ago?

If the Bible is man made fabrications and falsehoods, how did the all-knowing, all-powerful, benevolent God screw up that bad? Could He not foresee the gross misinterpretation that allegedly occured just 100 years after His prophet preached His word? I just wonder, when does God stop screwing up? Was that the last time? All of a sudden did He decide in the 7th century to finally send the ONE, TRUE message?

Seminole,

Thats a weak argument, to say the least. Your God and our God is the same. He is the God of mercy and all-knowing. There are terrible atrocities commited by man in history, bloodshed and killing. Are we to say, why didn't the God stop all that? Are they all sanctioned by God?

No.

The bloodshed and killings, and similarly alterations in the Bible are carried out by men, because men is given choices, and he chose the wrong path.

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RVIKZ

Hypothetically speaking.

Let's say you reverted to Islam.

This is more of a probability than your question.

Please understand my point.
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earth formed 5 billion years ago . you are talking about a period
2000 years ago. things that we know very insignifcant.

Re: Christianity

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*Originally posted by Lord Drizzt: *
I'd like to know what muslims think of the christianity. How does the faith appeal to you? Does it seem reasonable or unreasonable? How does the christian religion appeal? Reasonable? Not reasonable?

Do you have any questions? I'd be more than happy to answer them.
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Christianity is definitely an appealing religion. If I wasn’t a Muslim ..I might be a Christian. Overall it seems very reasonable to me except few things. The concept of God in Christianity is a little bit hard to stomach, the scripture is fill with error and some pretty insane stuff and there is no clear cut guide on how a person should live and what is required of him by Almighty God

RVIKZ

Let's just assume for one moment that your hypothetical question does materialise.

If the earth was hit by an asteroid, then the human race would be wiped out. Period.

We believe the Qur'aan to be a Sacred Tablet kept in the heavens and in the hearts of the Believers not just in paper form as a lot of people seem to think.

We do not believe in re-incarnation or Darwins Theory or the Big Bang Theory (solely based on theoratical Science), therefore Mankind can only be created again by Allah.

So if mankind was wiped out then why would the Qur'aan need to be here and for who?

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
RVIKZ

Let's just assume for one moment that your hypothetical question does materialise.

If the earth was hit by an asteroid, then the human race would be wiped out. Period.

We believe the Qur'aan to be a Sacred Tablet kept in the heavens and in the hearts of the Believers not just in paper form as a lot of people seem to think.

We do not believe in re-incarnation or Darwins Theory or the Big Bang Theory (solely based on theoratical Science), therefore Mankind can only be created again by Allah.

So if mankind was wiped out then why would the Qur'aan need to be here and for who?
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there were life before humans species developed . how do you know
extraterrrestrials in another planet uses exact book with exact words
in same language?

RVIKZ

In your initial query you asked concerning Earth and it's creation. Now you want to move onto E.T.

Once again, hypothetical logic and shifting of goalposts!

The Qur'aan was sent down to Mankind and Jinn and not for Star Trek?

Read:

Al-Baqara (The Cow) [2:185]

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to MANKIND, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong)......

An-Nasr (The Help) [10:57]

O mankind! there hath come to you a direction from your Lord and a healing for the (diseases) in your hearts,- and for those who believe, a guidance and a Mercy.

Ibrahim (Abraham) [14:1]

A. L. R. A Book which We have revealed unto thee, in order that thou mightest lead MANKIND out of the depths of darkness into light - by the leave of their Lord - to the Way of (Him) the Exalted in power, worthy of all praise!-

Al-Kahf (The Cave) [18:54]

We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of MANKIND, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.

The above is in plain English for you to understand. However, if you are still struggling, then I'm afraid there's not much more I can do to help you.

Maybe George Lucas or Stephen Spielberg might be able to help!

lot of people live perfectly normal without even knowing each others
holy book.we all subjecty to same law of physics human or animal.

Wow... lots of replies

Well first off, I do not like christianity as a religion. I am a spiritual christian, and I live in God, not the bible. Religious groups such as the catholics, protestants, mormans, etc.. have become less and less close to God, and they become obsessed with their status rather than God. Wars such as the infamous crusades have been brought up, and then there was the halocaust and more oppression. I believe that Christianity is about spirituality, not religion. I dont believe that we should divide into different groups, and I think that some people that claim to be christian aren't neccessarily true christians.
I believe that I personally know God, and at certain times I feel the Holy Spirit inside me, and I find myself saturated and glowing. I think that I generally understand who God is, and that he is not bound within any limits, and well, I can't explain.

My replies shouldn't be seen to represent christianity as a whole, but from what I believe.
I'll reply to the first post, then go down consecutively (unless it's not really a question or a comment about christianity)

Lajawab:
I dont exactly believe that abstaining from the consumption of non-koshure (sp) foods still apply today, because I believe that God issued that simply to protect the Jews' health. God prohibited the eating of pork, blood, some other things. Food had to be killed a certain way unless they couldn't be eaten. Food after a certain amount of time couldn't be eaten. Pigs were considered dirty, they were probably unhealthy to eat then because they couldnt be prepared properly. Blood was the source of a lot of diseases, and we all know that food rots after a period of time after being left out too long (they didnt have spices 3000 years ago)

sholay:
I would agree that christianity has been distorted, and I do not like it.

ahmadjee:

1: I believe that God is one as a whole, and that the Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit are terms that try to describe God, though not completely successful. I like to refer to Jesus as God. Other christians tend to refer to him as Jesus or the Son, and they end up sounding like two different figures, which is wrong. Anyway, there's no need to make a big deal out of the trinity.

2: If you mean that literally, I'll tell you right now not to take that verse literally. If you mean that we don't neccessarily act as Christ tells us, I'm inclined to agree. I believe that we are flawed, and we always make mistakes. Vengeance is part of human nature, and it's hard to do things God's way. However, with God's help, we can do it!

One thing that I do not like at all is war. I think that wars glorify God's name at all, and that our struggle is against Satan, not each other.

3: We are equal under God's eyes. I'm against racism. (Something I really like about this one church I sometimes go to is that sometimes they have songs, and we sing the lyrics in English, French, Chinese, African, and some other languages.)

Dai_sista:
There are flaws in the bible. I dont doubt that. The bible is God inspired, but human written. This means that there will be flaws here and there, but the truth will still remain in the book. Think of it as a true sentence with a gramatical error.

moona:
Basically, the church used to teach everything in Latin, the songs were in monotones and they were completely religious. Nobody understood anything, and not a lot of people were spiritual. However, where did you get the %1 from?

Seminole:
Maybe the interpretation has changed, maybe it hasn't. I interpret the Bible my own way.

Nadia_H:
Heh, I have a knack of creating controversial threads.

Iqbal:
"T.S. Eliot: "Christianity is always adapting itself into something that can be believed.""
As a religion, yes.

google:
"there is no clear cut guide on how a person should live and what is required of him by Almighty God"
My christianity is not a religion, it is a faith, and its spirituality. There's no set course of actions that you must do to be a christian, unlike Islam.

Many Muslims will condem Christianity on these basis:

  1. The Bible is corrupt
  2. hence Jesus is not who he claims to be in the Bible
  3. Western immorality reflects christianity.

  4. Christians believe that though the Bible was written over a number of years by different authors, was indeed inspired by God. The prophets also wrote down events pertaining to their time. Sort of like a historical record of incidents, along with a divine message intertwined therein. The whole of the Bible was not "dictated" by God, like the Muslims believe the Quran was. ( I like Lord Drizzt's analogy )

  5. Muslims (and many christians) are confused about the nature of Jesus. We believe that God's spirit indivisable from God, existed as His word ( Kalimallah ) since eternity, entered humankind in time, in the form of a little babe; The person of Jesus ( Ruhallah ). So at no time do we say God is three. ( like the Holy Quran says we do ) We fervently believe that God is singular. Singularity in such an overwhelming sense that our mere human minds cannot comprehend its immensity.
    Why do we believe that God came down to earth as a human?
    ......... Love
    The entire message of the Bible is God's love for man. He compares His love for us as, much more than a mother's love for her child, and our love for Him as, only a shadow of His love for us.
    Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah, yet have not understood the meaning of that word. It means annointed one. The one chosen to redeem.

  6. Christianity like Islam, originated from the East, and is NOT a Western religion. Many muslims blatantly point out corruption of morality in the west as stemming from, or reflecting Christianity. That is just as unfair as condemming all Muslims to be terrorists because of the actions of a few fanatics. Christ's teachings promote freedom of will, just as God intended. People tend to misuse this freedom to suit their own lifestyles. Christianity like Islam, condems adultry, fornication and other immoral behavior, however does not deprive humans the choice of making these choices on their own.

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