Chirac warns Turkey of tough test

France is too keen to lift ban from China so that it can start selling weapons worth of billions of dollars but when it comes to Turkey, the biggest hypocrite Chirac starts talking about morals and ethics…Go GET A LIFE CHIRAC…will ya!

Chirac warns Turkey of tough test
MEPs vote Yes to Turkish accession talks
Turkey said the European Parliament’s vote was ‘meaningful’
French President Jacques Chirac has said that Turkey could join the European Union - if it complies in full with entry requirements.

He spoke after the European Parliament voted to approve the start of accession talks when EU leaders meet Turkish counterparts in Brussels this week.

Mr Chirac warned that any of the EU’s 25 members could veto Turkish entry and France reserved “the last word”.

However, he stressed that the EU would benefit from having Turkey aboard.

“Does Europe, and particularly France, have an interest in Turkey joining it?” he asked in a live interview on French TV.

“My answer is… ‘Yes, if Turkey totally meets the conditions we impose on any candidate for our union’.”

‘Meaningful’

In their non-binding vote, passed by 407 votes to 262, MEPs called on EU leaders to open entry talks with Turkey “without undue delay”.

Jacques Chirac (L) being interviewed on French TV
Chirac faces internal French opposition to Turkish membership

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan welcomed the vote as “very meaningful” but warned that his country would walk away if confronted by any “unacceptable conditions”.

Mr Chirac suggested that partial membership for Turkey, as suggested by some of his own supporters in France, was not an option.

“To ask a country like Turkey, a great country with a rich and long history, to make a considerable effort to reach a risky or partial result is not reasonable,” he said.

If Ankara met all its accession obligations, he continued, it should not be turned away at the last moment.

“We will take a very heavy responsibility for history if, faced with a people who tell us ‘We have adopted all your values, all your rules, all your objectives’ ,we tell them, ‘Eh, no thanks’,” the French leader said.

‘Red lines’

The MEPs’ resolution also called for close monitoring of Turkey’s progress in improving human rights, religious freedom and women’s rights and said talks should be suspended at any time if Ankara wavers in these areas.

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Amendments suggesting Turkey should be offered a special partnership instead of full membership, or that it should be rejected altogether, were defeated.

The BBC’s Chris Morris says the number of votes against the motion reflects considerable misgivings in parts of Europe about starting membership talks with such a large, poor and overwhelmingly Muslim country.

Earlier on Wednesday, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul set out four “red lines” his country would not cross:

* Negotiations must have Turkey's complete membership as the final aim

* Turkey must not be forced to extend diplomatic recognition to the Republic of Cyprus

* The decision to start talks must not be conditional on subsequent decisions by EU leaders

* There should be no special conditions imposed permanently on Turkey.

here is what opponents say about Turkey’s inclusion into EU:

“Opponents say it is too big, too populous, too poor and too culturally different to integrate into the EU, and the bloc risks a mass influx of Turkish workers and “enlarging itself to death” by extending its borders to Iran, Iraq and Syria.”

or in other words they are trying to say

“Bhangy tryin to sit with MahaRaja..NO WAY”

and honestly speaking, i can see where these opponents are coming from.

In addition, Turkey has been humiliated by EU so much in last few years that some times i really feel sorry for turks…

Kawa Challa Hansss Kee chall, apnee be bhool gaya

http://www.dawn.com/2004/12/18/top16.htm

EU, Turkey reach landmark deal to start entry talks

By Shadaba Islam

BRUSSELS, Dec 17: The European Union and Turkey reached a historic agreement on Friday on starting talks on admitting the large Muslim nation to the bloc after overcoming last minute haggling over Ankara’s relationship with EU member Cyprus.

The entry talks, expected to be long and difficult, will begin on October 3, 2005. The decision is a victory for Ankara’s long battle to confirm its European credentials by joining the EU. But Europe’ embrace of the Muslim nation – albeit a secular one – remains a grudging, reluctant affair.

The EU is imposing a range of new conditions that Ankara must meet over the next 10 to 15 years before it is deemed ready to join the Union. And in what many view as an inauspicious start, celebrations at the end of two-day summit were marred by a difficult, eleventh-hour battle over last-minute EU demands that Turkey give fast-track recognition to Cyprus via the signing of a customs’ union deal.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan rejected this and instead forced a compromise under which he made a public verbal declaration announcing his readiness to recognize (Greek) Cyprus through the custums union before October 3 next year. EU leaders, in exchange, welcomed this.

The squabbles at the Brussels summit once again reflected many European states’ continuing ambivalence about opening the doors of their current exclusive Christian club to a large Muslim nation. But the fact that EU leaders overcame such misgivings is a sign of a new maturity in a Union which wants to become a global power and build bridges with its Islamic neighbours.

The start of negotiations is also a boost to the 15 million Muslims who live in Europe and have felt increasingly marginalized since the rise of anti-Islamic sentiments after the Sept 11 attacks on the US landmarks.

However, the summit squabbles also reflect the EU’s complex decision-making machinery where one member state – in this case tiny Cyprus - can make nationally driven demands.

Although it had never previously been a condition for starting talks with Turkey, Cyprus, which only joined the EU last May, swiftly objected to the fact that Turkey refuses to grant it diplomatic recognition.

Turkey, until now, has only recognized the self-styled state of Turkish northern Cyprus. This led to hours of shuttle diplomacy at the summit with Turkey supporters Germany and Britain being called in to mediate.

Mr Erdogan dug in his heels due to fears that voters at home and the ever-sensitive Turkish parliament would rebel if he was seen to be caving in on the spot to last-minute EU demands.

Turkey has been knocking at Europe’s door since 1963 and sees moves to EU membership as a confirmation of its European identity. The goal has spurred unprecedented reforms under Erdogan which have won wide admiration in the EU.

For Europe, taking in Turkey makes sense for a host of economic and geo-political reasons. Chancellor Schroeder has pointed often to the huge market provided by Turkey’s booming economy and population of 70 million as well as the security advantage of making Turkey a democratic, secular beacon for the Islamic world.

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende - who holds the rotating EU presidency - said the goal of negotiations beginning next year was full accession of Turkey but cautioned: “We’re going to negotiate to see if membership is possible. There’s no guarantee it is possible.”

Should negotiations fail, he said, Turkey must remain firmly anchored in EU structures. This, however, is not the same thing as the offer second class membership - dubbed a “privileged partnership” - which was rejected by EU leaders.

Turkey’s trials with the EU are not over, however. Ankara faces a huge task in meeting the bloc’s standards and while sweeping reforms by Erdogan may have started getting Turkey into shape for EU membership, Brussels is asking for much more.

The lengthy EU agenda for Turkey includes major improvements in political and economic structures. EU leaders say Turkey must make additional effort to upgrade standards for human rights, minority protection and rule of law.

More challenging for Erodgan are Europe’s calls for what many in Turkey will see as a social revolution. Women’s rights, religious freedom and difficult historic questions from Turkey’s past, including the fate of Armenians during the World War I, still need to be addressed.

REUTER ADDS: The 25 EU leaders, though agreed to open accession negotiations with Turkey, said talks would be open-ended with no guaranteed outcome in a nod to deeply sceptical public opinion in much of western Europe.

“(It) is an historic event. It shows that those who believe there is some fundamental clash in civiliZations between Christian and Muslim are actually wrong, that we can work together and we can cooperate together,” British Prime Minister Tony Blair told reporters.

Turkey pledged unilaterally to sign a protocol extending its EU association agreement to 10 states which joined the bloc in May, including Cyprus, before it starts entry talks.

In return, Balkenende, holder of the EU presidency, would spell out that this was not tantamount to recognition of the Greek Cypriot government in Nicosia, which Ankara has rejected until there is a settlement for the divided island.

Diplomats said the EU dropped a humiliating demand that Turkey initial the pact immediately on Friday. At one point, Erdogan threatened to walk out after Cyprus demanded a written commitment. He was dissuaded by Balkenende, Blair and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, the diplomats said.

EU leaders kept summit guest UN Secretary General Kofi Annan waiting for 1-1/2 hours as they negotiated over Cyprus. A Turkish official quoted Erdogan as telling Balkenende at one point: “You are choosing 600,000 Greeks (Cypriots) over 70 million Turks, and I cannot explain this to my people.”

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw played down the political significance of signing the so-called Ankara protocol, saying: “It does not involve formal or informal recognition of the government of Cyprus and we have been trying to reassure the Turkish government about that.”

A British diplomat noted many countries had legally binding agreements with entities such as the Palestinian Authority or Taiwan without recognizing them as states. Turkey’s accession process is certain to be long and fraught with membership at least a decade away.

It will force Turkey to transform its economy, society and long authoritarian politics, and require the EU to revise fundamentally its two main spending policies - farm subsidies and regional aid, which the poor nation would expect to draw on.

The EU decision made clear Turkey could not join before 2015, by which time it is projected to have the bloc’s largest population with more than 80 million, giving it the most voting power in decision-making and the most European Parliament seats.

Turkey’s supporters say bringing in the vast, mainly agrarian country on the cusp of Europe and the Middle East, viewed by Washington and others as a key Western ally, would spread stability and security, and promote dialogue with the Islamic world by taking in a vibrant Muslim democracy.

Opponents say it is too big, too populous, too poor and too culturally different to integrate into the EU, and the bloc risks a mass influx of Turkish workers and “enlarging itself to death” by extending its borders to Iran, Iraq and Syria.

No way Turkey will be allowed in.
Some European leaders have said it straight out - no Muslim country in EU.

The goal posts will be shifted all the time to make it impossible for Turkey to join.
Wish the Turks would just say stuff it to EU, erecdt barriers to EU goods and services and look to expand trade and rapport with Asian and African countries.

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hahahha! you da funny man Aka!

Trade with Asians in what? Import you mean? Asian countries are big because they export to EU and US.

The bigger joke is your trade with Africans. For what? human skulls!
Yeah that trade will make you as poor as the Africans are already.

These Biddus don't quit telling other countries how to go down the toilet quickly. Damn Biddus.

Turkey must beg, plead, be on its knees or whatever. That's the only way to improve the balance of trade for a developing country.

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Turkey must beg, plead, be on its knees or whatever. That's the only way to improve the balance of trade for a developing country.
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Now i get a picture where u coming from.... :)

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Turkey must beg, plead, be on its knees or whatever. That's the only way to improve the balance of trade for a developing country.
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Please don't take this wrong way, but Pakistan has shown the way by getting on its knees. It appears to be working for the moment.

If only third world/developing countries could follow the policies of India, they would never be in such a humiliating position.

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If only third world/developing countries could follow the policies of India, they would never be in such a humiliating position.
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Lets just hope third world and developing countries dont learn about AIDS mgmt from India or they would be in a humiliating position.

The relationship between the European Union and India should be of the same parity, density and quality as we have with the US, Canada, China and Russia," said Francisco da Camera Gomes, head of the EU’s India delegation

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If only third world/developing countries could follow the policies of India, they would never be in such a humiliating position.
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Bud you have no f--ing idea about Bharati Bij-nus-men, and the governments since Narra-lose-Simha Rao.

They have been on their knees for a long time after promptly ditching their Commie gods. It got so bad during Baja-pipe's time, that poor fellow had to get new knees.

So keep these Arrabob MAToo statements of praising how Bharat is good and Pakistan is bad.

Turkey will be part of Europe but here is a little taster of what kind of welcome muslims are given in Europe these days!

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the famous little mermaid in Denmark was covered in a Burka as a protest to Muslim Turkeys entry into Europe!
Welcome to Europe Not!

Welcome to europe indeed!

Looks like Qadaffi has a stake in Turkey as well.
Read On. I have utmost respect for Qadaffi (I am not kidding), he is my all time favorite.
http://www.itv.com/news/world_1876364.html

an interesting viewpoint by qaddafi…turkish leadership will be so upset right now…

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Last Updated: Saturday, 18 December, 2004, 22:08 GMT
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Europe’s historic new step
By Chris Morris
BBC Europe correspondent

A child holds balloon carrying the Turkish and EU emblems in Ankara
Thousands of supporters greeted Turkey’s PM on his return home
Europe took a huge decision this week.

There are still years of negotiations and plenty of pitfalls ahead, but if Turkey ever joins the European Union, people will look back on this summit as a decisive moment.

An EU with Turkey as a member will look quite different from anything the founding fathers of the union ever envisaged.

The summit was fractious, tense and often grumpy.

Harsh words were exchanged behind the scenes, and at one stage several EU delegations thought the Turks were going to walk away from a deal.

Even after agreement was finally reached, the Turkish prime minister and his Greek Cypriot counterpart had a verbal bust-up in front of their colleagues.

Welcome to the next 10 years.

Dictation of terms

This is the most difficult and ambitious enlargement of all.

Yes, allowing most of the former communist states of eastern and central Europe to join together in one fell swoop this year was a massive undertaking.

TURKEY’S DRAFT EU ENTRY TERMS
Turkey must sign a customs accord extending to all EU members, including Cyprus
The accord must be signed by the start of entry talks, proposed for October 2005
Membership talks will be open-ended
There is no guarantee of full membership if conditions are not met
If negotiations do fail, Europe will not turn its back on Turkey
Turkey must continue with political and economic reforms
Some safeguards may remain over migration of workers from Turkey

Q&A: Turkey’s entry deal

The EU has redrawn the map of Europe already.

But Turkey is different. It is the biggest, poorest country ever to be invited to start talks, and the most culturally challenging.

A Muslim country bordering the Middle East and the Caucasus; a country undergoing rapid political and economic upheaval, which has changed profoundly in the last few years and which will have to do much more of the same to be ready for membership.

For Turkey, it could be a steep learning curve.

Negotiations on joining the EU are not really negotiations at all. They are a dictation of terms.

Either you fulfil the EU’s requirements, or you do not join. It is as simple as that. And Turks do not take that kindly to being told what to do.

Just the beginning

Will Turkey ever become a member?

It is possible that it could jump through all the hoops set up by the EU and then decide it does not want to join after all.

By transforming itself so thoroughly, Turkey could gain the confidence to strike out in a different direction.

Anyway, who knows what Turkey will look like in 10 or 15 years’ time?

Who knows what the EU will look like then as well?

The process begun by Europe’s leaders in Brussels this week will have to be completed by the politicians of the future.

But one fact was at the back of everyone’s mind at this summit - no country which has begun membership talks has ever been rejected by the EU before.

History was certainly made this week. But the arguments on both sides about whether it was a step in the right direction have only just begun

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It will OK PD. Turkey will solve its issue on Cyprus, and sign a deal on immigration. It will be OK.

The issue is what Pakistan is going to do in this rapidly changing geo-economic situation. Not much I suppose. In 10 years, our intellectuals will still be arguing about Palestine, Iraq, and possibly Iran.

p.s. Ignore the rants of Gaddah-fi (Khota-yes man).